Re: Albanian Names (1) --> Aziz

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" wrote:

>
> Regarding the Thraco-Dacian origin of Albanian name : Aziz
> ===========================================================

As George already stated, Parvan was a decent historian, not a
linguist; in which concerns Dacian language he based himself on
works nowdays obsolete. So his comments about "Getic elements"
have to be taken "cum grano salis".

> "What is absolutely characteristic is the great number of Getic
> elements, found in the toponimy of the region defined between Salona
> and Apollonia. Thus, on the roads that went to Narona and Scodra
> Tabula Peutingeriana named the localities Asamo, Adzizio and
> Berzumno (Miller, o.c. p. 468 sqq.), that are identical or almost
> identical, with Samus-Asamus, Azizis and Berzobis from Banat, Ardeal
> and getic Bulgaria.

Here A(i)zizis is just a placename of doubtful origin and unknown
meaning (maybe linked to PIE *aig^ `goat` - Pokorny 32), unlike
modern Albanian people name "Aziz" which is of undoubtful Turkish
(and further on, Arabic) origin, meaning `saint`.

> [Aizizis] -> well identified, both in Dacia, but also with a similar
> toponym in Dalmatia (see page 229). Ptolemeu placed it correctly in
> Banat, but with a false latitude and longitude. The origin of the
> name is Dacian (cf. Tom., II, 2, 53). So we do not have to wrongly
> compare it like Muller, p. 449 and Schutte, p. 93, with the name of
> the God Azizus, epigraphic documented at Potaissa (CIL. II 875),

Same comments as above.

> that is a name of Syrian origin

Could be Syrian.

> P.S. For Mr. Iacomi :

On a speciality group, personal comments are _not_ welcome
(netiquette).

> It is not very fair from your side to do appreciations like:
> "I fail to see the faintest indication for their supposed
> Northern Thracian ancestry. Have you discovered meanwhile some
> Dacian glosses supporting your claim?"

I stand for what I wrote. It is exactly my position with respect
to your allegations and lists.

> You wrote these things "like an expert in that field" when you
> don't know the subject (see P^arvan above analysis).

Well-well, next time you will surely enlighten me with other
pertinent analysis proving I have no idea about the subject.
Please do.

> It is not the first time you make such asumptions (in another
> mail you wrote):
> "Well, I suppose you never heard about inherent mutation rate in
> genetics, about genetic drift and so on. You have a long way in
> front of you for which you will need to learn a lot of things you
> don't know of yet. Stochastical processes and other related stuff"
>
> ...by chance I work in the computer science field and also by
> chance I developed genetic algorithms and used stochastic
> methods...

That's good. The next step would be to understand the phenomenology
behind them and forget about cartesian determinist description in
fields in which it doesn't apply. From your pompous allegation:
{Rule: "where is no external change no internal change (if any) will
survive" is a valid one -> The Rule above is well available in any
evolutionary system: genetics -> life, languages and also in the
social systems.} one can deduce you either didn't know about genetic
drift, or you knew something without understanding. Since the topic
of the list is _not_ genetic drift, I will no further elaborate on
it; in which concerns linguistics, I can ensure you your statement
is simply false.

> It is easy to say to somebody "you are an idiot"

I didn't said (nor suggested) that. I suggested you some homework,
compulsory for any decent constructive further discussion.

> in place to put your arguments on the table

There are no arguments in your emphatical statement of the "Rule",
there is just a loud-voiced claim not ensuring its' validity.

Cheers,
Marius Iacomi