Re: [tied] Glue, resin [was: Ducks and Souls]

From: alex
Message: 25970
Date: 2003-09-23

Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:
> 23-09-03 01:39, Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
>> Prefixed and extended in verbal suffix -yo *n-gWet-yo this root
>> derives in Albanian verb <ngjes> 'to glue, to affix', noun
>> <ngjitës> 'glue, resin', probably through diphthongation of /e/ and
>> treating this labiovelar as pure velar. Taking into account also verb
>> <ngjesh> 'to press, to compress', derived from *n-g^hes-yo, I think
>> that we may found the rule that palatals and labiovelars, preceding
>> by nasals, are treated in Albanian as pure velars.
> *n-gWet- etc. are incorrect reconstructions, since the preverb is
> Albanian, not PIE. I see no etymological support for your proposed
> post-nasal dorsal merger in medial environments; word-initially it
> simply fails to make any sense, since the Albanian prefix-root sandhi
> is younger than the peculiar developments of the different dorsal
> series in pre-Albanian. As for combinations with the prefix <n->,
> *g^(H)- actually ends up as <nd-> and *gW(H)- palatalised before a
> front vowel gives <nx->, as far as I can see. I don't know the origin
> of the <ngjit-> family of vords, but your suggestion is unlikely:
> <-gjit-> could derive from a variety of hypothetical sequences, e.g.
> from something like *-sit- (any ideas, anybody?), but certainly not
> from *-gWet-.
> Piotr

Piotr, try with Rom. "mânji" for Albanian "ngjes".