Re: [tied] Re: PIE Stop System

Abdullah Konushevci wrote:

> About PIE *gwhen `hit', according to Pokorny, Alb. gjanj, I have some
> doubts.
> First, I think that this is isolated case, where *gwh- reflects /gj/.
> I much more prefere that, even we haven't to deal with labiovelar, I
> am afraid that this root is treated like labiovelar, deriving Alb.
> verb <zânë/zënë > `to catch, to row', due to regular evolution of /-
> en/ > (g.) –ân/ (t.) –ën, cf. also zënkë `row, tussie' and that Alb.
> not <gjanj>, but <gjuej/gjuaj>, probably from *gjo:nj (cf. also
> oldest form <gjoja> `hunting'), with other derivates:
> <gjuetar> `hunter', <gjueti> `hunting', <gjah> `shooting', etc. is
> derived from PIE *ye:- `to throw' extended in (causative) –enyo >
> gjo:nj> gjuej/gjuaj (cf. also *yeug^- > z-gjedhë `yoke', Sl.
> <jebati> `to fuck', Alb. <z-gjebë> `scabies'.)
> To this conclusion we may come also through another root *gwhen- `to
> swell', especially in expression: <zë djathë> `to make cheese' < to
> make milk swell, <gjakzënë> `swelling-blood'.
>
> Konushevci

Well, our friends , the romanists will make you the life hard here. At
least regarding the Alb. word "z-gjebë" which means "scabies" . The
Latin word is "scabia" and the Rom. "zgaibã" is considered to derive
from Latin "scabia".
Rom. "zgaibã" does not mean scabie but scratch ( for the meaning scabies
there is in Rom. "râie" < cf DEX Latin "ranea")
Despite the true origin of Albanian "zgjebë", Rom. "zgaibã", I am afraid
there is no labiovelar in the root the words derive from.

Alex