Re: Laryngeal theory as an unnatural

From: tolgs001
Message: 25114
Date: 2003-08-16

alex wrote:

> nope. I guess the suffix has played no role here.

That's right: you guess.

>How would you like to see from the old religious texts that
>"fârtat" and "suratã" do not preced frate and sora?

Do not ask me, ask the original texts. OTOH, as a Romanian
native-speaker you should have known that the *main*
words are "frate" & "sora", and that "fârtat" and "surata"
are only marginal words, i.e. derivates of the former, used
in restricted situations. Moreover, you should have known
that, as synonyms, the latter cannot replace the former
in various situations of the highest importance. For instance,
you cannot say "iata, acesta este fârtatul tatalui meu", or
your father would retaliate with some slapt, so that
his son, i.e. you would exclame "Vãleu, vãleleu!" ;^)
Nor would you dare say of your aunt that she were
"surata tatalui" or "a mamei."

But "surata" you'll rather use in such contexts, "hey,
li'l sista, gimme a sammich!" or "fârtat", "Mãi, fârtat,
mi-e sete: dã-mi o bere!", i.e. sort of a "yo, brotha!"

So, these don't need to be your real brother and sister.
(The same applies to "frate" proper and to its further
derivations such as "frãtzâne", "frãtzior" > vocative
"frãtzioare!")

>George, it should be clear that one makes the distinction between
>ancient terms and the later loans.

It's you who doesn't differentiate here. Even your word
choice shows illustrates your bias toward the phantastic
theory "Romanian = continuation of an other language
than Latin (or Italic dialects)", since you refrain from using
"inherited words."

>Critical view will say that the lost
>of "n" in densus appears not only in Rom. [____]
>The Albanian has "dent,

To what avail is this divagation?!

>There are some toughts that Greek "dasus" is not from the
>same root ( PIE *dn.sus)

Then why don't you revise your theory in order to get
a new one: "Romanian is the continuation of ancient
Greek dialects?!" ;^)

>Against the lost of "n" speaks toponims as "Densus" and words
>as Dânsa, Dânsul, ins= individuum

These have nothing to do with des vs. dens-. And there ain't no
rule that if in the one case a sound disappears, in the other case
it should disappear as well. (Lemme give you another doublette:
strâmb + strâmbãtate vs. strabism.)

George