Re: [tied] "Satem" Law

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:

>
> --- "Daniel J. Milton" <dmilt1896@...> wrote:
> > Golab's "Origin of the Slavs, a Linguist's
> > View" (1991) lists
> > 45 old kentum words in Proto-Slavic, many relating
> > to cattle
> > breeding, wooden constructions, tools, and social
> > terms.
>
> *****GK: I don't have Golab(Golonb?) on hand.

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Zbigniew Golab (with a slash thru the "l" and a backwards cedilla
under the "a"). (The books from Slavica Publishers)
Is it 45 or 59 (the latter in your message # 20464)?*****
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"59 words .. can be considered kentum elements with a high
degree of probability.... some 14 should be eliminated: they have
close correspondences only in the North-West IE languages (Italo-
Celtic and Germanic), therefore they can represent a later
stratum.."
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> After some
> > pages of discussion I couldn't really summarize, he
> > concludes:
> > "we can hypothesize that the Proto-Slavs seem to
> > be the
> > descendants of a satemized earlier kentum population
> > of the northern
> > half of the so-called Tripolye culture. That
> > earlier kentum
> > population could in its turn represent some
> > indoeuropeanized
> > descendants of the oldest non-IE ethnic layer of the
> > primary
> > Tripolye culture."
> > Reasonable or unreasonable to our experts?
> > Dan
>
> *****GK: What does Golab have to say about the
> relationship between Slavic and Baltic? Remember that
> "the northern half of the so-called Tripolye culture"
> (if he means Sofiivka) disappeared by ca. 2750 BC.
> Does Golab contend that Slavic and Baltic were already
> separate linguistic branches in the mid-3rd
> millennium? As to "indo-europeanized descendants of
> the oldest non-IE layer of the primary Tripolye
> culture", I very much suspect that they can be found
> all over Europe, since much of Trypilia was absorbed
> by the earliest CW. Cf. messages # 17097, 17108,
> 17125.*****

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"everything seems to indicate that after the final dissolution
of the PIE linguistic community, which took place most probably
between 3000-2500 B.C., and after a transitional period of Balto-
Slavic "community", the linguistic ancestors of the Slavs got
separated from the Balts and became an autonomous ethno-linguistic
entity sometime about or just after the year 1000 B.C."