Re: Enclosed Places

>
> > Also the Austronesian
> *kurung/*kuDung "enclosure" root would seem to have suffix, which
> also isn't Austronesian (note the variant forms).
>
> You mentioned one above! More to the point, it is through the

addition of

> suffixes that the 3rd consonant reappears in Oceanic languages.
>
> If you reread the messages in Austronesian (around #454, several

threads),

> you'd note that:
>
> a) Perhaps *kuDung isn't related to *kurung.
> b) +kurung could be explained as a loan from Javanese to Malay, and

thence

> spread far and wide.
> c) The 'root', or perhaps 'theme' (I've seen the word 'rhizeme'

used) is

> liquid + round-vowel + ng. I dug up half a dozen examples from

Proto-Tai -

> I don't think I reported them - meanings 'groove, ditch, channel'

(the

> dodgiest), 'room', 'cage', 'drum', 'tube, cylinder' and 'vessel,

utensil;

> box, trunk; basket with a lid'. If you allow the first, I can

throw in Thai

> khlOng 'canal' and I could perhaps add a word for 'snare'. The

meanings are

> more like of 'enclosure' than 'turn, wrap, rotate'. I thought you

wanted

> the meaning 'turn' for kVr, anyway.

Ah, but in my mind, at least, this _is_ one meaning. An enclosure is
something that is encircled by a wall or moat, at least in the
sense "trading post".

>
> Wrong meaning, wrong pair of consonants, wrong list.
>

Explain?

> > But what? I noted that in some Austro-Asiatic(?) language (I read

it in

> austronesian, I believe) *kin- is an animal prefix, which may make

it the

> ancestor of the global 'dog' word.
>
> Not so global. I was having enough trouble gathering words with

velars,

> never mind k..n. In my sampling I found seven verbs beginning with

velars,

> but the three of them with following nasals split 3-ways - /m/, /n/

and

> /ng/. Not so global.
>
> > Has *k-r- "encircle" a similar source?
>
> Is this a homophone of *k-r 'turn, wrap, rotate' ? Methinks you're
> twisiting and turning a bit too much.
>

And with clothes, at least up to the toga, you wrapped ("encircled",
and, should I say "enrolled"(!)) yourself in it. There's 'round'
in 'surround'.

But I admit to being uneasy over the analysis of **k-r-ng as prefix
*k- and root *r-ng-. That would annihilate the supposed **k-r- root.
But then, if the word was re-loaned several times over, as posting
#454 suggests, a new root may have been falsely extracted?

Torsten