Re: [tied] Re: Yers

From: george knysh
Message: 24553
Date: 2003-07-15

I was looking at your earlier posts a few moments ago
and lo and behold there's more!! (:=)) OK just a
couple of queries and comments on this one.

--- Vassil Karloukovski <v.karloukovski@...>
wrote:

> I wouldn't blame you but the Bulgarian historians
> and scholarship in
> general for not properly publicising their results.
>
> (GK)But
> > I do not see, as yet, on the basis of your
> reports,
> > how it contributes to any dramatic change in our
> > traditional perspective of Bulgar identity and
> > history.
>
>
> (VK)for one, your exposition is in a too rigid
framework
> - distinct and
> ethnically conscious of their (Slavic-, Turkic-,
> whatever-)ness
> peoples, homogeneous peoples/tribes (rulers vs. the
> mass), etc. It is
> untenable.

*****GK: Oh I don't know about that. Our Old Ukrainian
Chronicle certainly knew the difference between the
"Bulgars" and the "Slavs" the former dominated in the
7th and ensuing centuries, and this was an early 11th
c. opinion. Of course from the time of the Bulgar
adoption of Christianity, all these ethna became
"Bulgarians" in our eyes. Including the christianized
Pechenegs of post-1050 times.******


> (VK)the ongoing dispute, Bulgar vs. Khazar, about
the so
> called "Malaja
> Pereshchepina" type of VII-VIII c. luxurious burials
> west of Dniepr,

*****GK: Mala Pereshchypyna is actually east of the
Dnipro. There is some doubt (e.g. Florin Curta) that
MP itself is a burial. I'm still researching this. Can
you give me some evidence that we are dealing with an
actual burial here, rather than with an assemblage of
objects which could earlier have been part of some
burial? This is an honest question. I see that JW
(1984) speaks of a coffin, but is it really a coffin
or items that can be assumed to have been intended for
a coffin?*****



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