Re: [tied] Enclosed Places (was: The unexplained link between Greek

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:09:29 +0100, Richard Wordingham
> <richard@...> wrote:
>
> >How secure is the derivation? I would expect something like

Latin *horbus

> >or *horbis / *horbs, cf. hortus 'garden', which may well be

related to

> >*g^hordh- through a different suffix/extension. Pokorny sounds

sceptical

> >from the way he cites the word, 'über lat. urbs `Stadt',

angeblich aus

> >*ghordhos, s. Georgiev IF. 56, 200'.
>
> The loss of h- is in itself not problematic: there are more

examples of

> early loss of h-. As to the vocalism, that's another issue. I

remembered

> that o > u sometimes happens in Latin, but having checked, this is
> apparently only the case (with exceptions) before nc (uncus), ng

(unguis),

> mb (umbo), mc (hunc) and lC (multa, culpa). Remains the

development o: >

> u: before /r/ (fu:r), which would require a vrddhi formation

*gho:rdhos >

> *(h)urbs.
>
>
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> Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
> mcv@...

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PIE root *g^hordh- derives in Albanian <gardh> 'hedge, fence',
through regular changes /*o/ > /a/ and /-rd-/ > /-rdh-/. This word
is preserved in place name Zgërdhesh < s- + gardh + -esh, one of
oldest toponym.
So, in most ancient words, that couldn't be a loans, exept for non-
scientific reasons, as you see, the rule that palatals derives in
Albanian always interdentals, is not true.

Konushevci