[tied] Re: about the wrong roots

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:

> On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 13:21:26 +0000, Abdullah Konushevci
> <a_konushevci@...> wrote:
>
> >--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...>

wrote:

> >> It's not a labiovelar, it's a "palatovelar" *k^ followed by *w.
> >> Alb. kudër cannot be derived from *k^won-. Perhaps it belongs

to

> >> the group of Grk. skulax, Ir. cuile:n, Lith. kale: "puppy,

bitch" (*skeu-l-,

> >> *skeu-n-?).
> >>
> >> >In other case, <bushtër> 'bitch', also an extended form in
> >> >comparative suffix -ter, Proto-Albanian treats this root as P-
> >> > Celtic.
> >>
> >> Again, that's impossible. There is no *kW here, and even if

there

> >were,
> >> P-Celtic has *kW > *p, not *b.
> >>
> >According to your etymology *skeu-l- or *skeu-n, we will have in
> >Albanian *hentër or, the hell know, because, as you know, PIE *sk-
>
> >Alb. h-.
>
> As you said yourself:
>
> >Alb <këlysh>, according to X. Delamarre (VIE, pp. 134) is derived
> >from *koli- 'jeune chien': (gr.)skul-aks kulla 'id', (alb.)
> >këlysh 'id.' (v.irl.) cuilen (gall.) colwyn (bret.) kolen < *koli-
> >gno- 'id.', (lit.) kale < *kolya: 'chienne'
>
> The root in question has s-mobile: Greek skulax ~ OIr. cuilén. *k

gives

> Albanian k-.
>
>
> =======================
> Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
> mcv@...

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Dear Miguel,
I don't agree with your categorical view on the most sensitive
problem, like velars, labiovelars and palatals in satem languages.
To my point of view, there are obviously a tendency to be treated in
Albanian, especially at the beginning of the word, labiovelar *kW-
as plain velar *k- (cf. katër 'four') and, it seems, palatovelar
*k^w- also as plain velar *k-, so I don't understand why couldn't be
derived Alb. <kudër> 'bitch' from *k^won- 'dog', present, as you
see, in Bulgarian and Romanian too. It testifies in one way about
centum ingredient in Albanian.
Because the language is a dynamic structure and not static one, I
guess that this phenomenon happens in early PIE stage.
Cf. also Albanian <qarr> 'oak' < *kWerkW-, probably from a variant
form *kiorkW- or maybe Piotr would have better explanation.

Regards,
Konushevci