Re: [tied] Re: Catunari

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 23956
Date: 2003-06-27

27-06-03 20:51, Abdullah Konushevci wrote:

> About suffix -ishte, very productive in many Albanian words, I doubt
> that is from Slavic origin. If we accept as a true fact that Slavic
> suffix -lo (ogleda-lo 'mirror', klepalo 'eyelid', trup-lo 'trunk'),
> is shortened form of verb <bilo> 'was',

Why should we accept anything so patently false? Where did you take this
idea from? In deverbal nouns (your first two examples) we have the
Slavic instrumental suffix *-dlo- (< PIE *-dHlom), still preserved as
<-dlo> in West Slavic. Slavic also has *-lU (neuter *-lo), an originally
adjectival suffix. It occurs in past participles like *bylU (now
functioning as preterites in the modern Slavic languages after the loss
of the copula), but it is not itself a truncated verb!!

> I don't know why we must
> deny that Alb. suffix - ishte is not from the same verb <ishte> was!

Because its history is easily traceable to Slavic *-is^c^e < *-i:sk-jo-.
Slavic has both *-is^c^e and the historically underlying suffix *-isko.
The South Slavic reflex of *-is^c^e is <-is^te>, and that's the source
of both Albanian <-ishte> and Romanian <-i$te>; the meaning of both is
the same as in Slavic; it would be just silly to deny the connection.

Piotr