Re: [tied] The Magic Mountain

27-06-03 19:45, m_iacomi wrote:

> For Albanian, yes. For Romanian, no. In this case, Romanian hints
> through rhotacism _and_ stress it could hardly be linked to Slavic.

I don't know the original accentuation of the word in Slavic; I'll try
to find that out. As to rhotacism, see below.

> Things gravitate around magical threshold A.D. 600:
> that's the epoch from which one can infer the first Slavic loanwords
> entered Romanian, but none with rhotacism. That is: rhotacism should
> have been no longer active after A.D. 600. [Rosetti goes even further
> by stating that Slavic /l/ _could not_ rhotacize since it has a
> different pronunciation from Latin and substrate /l/; that would
> relax timeline of rhotacism, allowing it to extend up to Common
> Romanian period and would rule out any possibility for rhotacized
> words to have Slavic origins].

Circular, isn't it? We can just as well hupothesise that the apparent
non-attestation of rhotacised *l of Slavic origin is due to the rarity
of the earliest Slavic loans in Romanian. If so, <mãgurã> is viable
example, even if it's the only one of its kind. What _counterexamples_
can you offer? I mean loans that demonstrably predate the vowel-timbre
changes of late common Slavic (and liquid metathesis, cf. daltã).

Piotr