Re: [tied] Re: Historical implications of Romanian ecclesiastical t

--- alex <alxmoeller@...> wrote:

> m_iacomi wrote:
> > Another point is that many Christian terms of
> Latin origin
> > are not in agreement with "official" terms in
> Western Romance:
> > Creatio (Mundi) <=> "Facere(a)" (< Lat. facere `to
> make`)
> > Creator (Mundi) <=> "F�c�torul"
> > Regnum Dei <=> "�mp�r�Tia Domnului" (der.
> imperator + dominus)
>
> These here look like simple translations since none
> of them is a
> directly continuation of the Latin expresion, but a
> simply translation
> of it. Creatio Mundi= Facerea Lumii, Creator=
> Facator, Regnum Dei=
> Imparatia Domnului
>
> > Virgo <=> "Fecioara" (der. "fecior" < "fetiolus")
> and so on,
>
> this is a translation too. And "fetiolus" is a joke
> as etymologycal
> basis for Romanian ficior/fecior.
>
> > fact which suggests also that Christian faith was
> something
> > quite popular since people _constructed_ the terms
> they needed
> > from the words of their own language (see also
> Mircea Pacuraru,
> > 1980, "Istoria BOR")
>
> Yes, indeed. The people constructed the terms
> mentionated , they are not
> Latin expresions but simple translations of the
> Latin meaning. And this
> is pretty important too. Why not latin expresions
> here? Why _contructed_
> terms? When did became such terms as "Creatio Mundi,
> Regnum Dei" to be
> used in the Latin world?

*****GK: Good for you Alex (I think?(:=))) I was going
to ask similar questions a bit along the road, but you
beat me to it. Question: is there any way of dating
the Romanian Christian vocabulary which is of Latin
provenance? In other words, are these "constructions"
quite early (some or most), perhaps even from the time
of the Roman Empire, or are they late innovations
designed to take the place of expressions in the
Slavic Bible and Liturgy adopted in the 9/10 cs.?*****

> George forget with pleasure the 3 persons coming
> from North of Danube to
> the Court of Boris for arrange the christianisation
> of the Bulgars. Do I
> make a mistake here or this aspect was too in a
> study of Mr Brezeanu
> where he showed in which sources we find these 3
> persons ( 2 with
> Dacian-like names Cerbula, Ursula and one more with
> a Latin-like name).
> I guess the text was posted here on the list some
> time ago.

*****GK: I'd be interested in this text too. I think I
forgot to forget it (:=))), since I don't remember
ever knowing about it.******


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