Re: [tied] it was Re: Moment

m_iacomi wrote:

> In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex" wrote:
>
>>>> BTW *romana is given in my dictionary with an "*" and the
>>>> expresion "lingua romana" is not at all given.
>>>
>>> Have you ever thought about changing dictionary?!
>>> C. Tacitus: "ut qui modo linguam Romanam abnuebant [...]"
>>
>> Not this one. This is the etymological dictionary of Latin
>> language.
>
> Whose "etymological dictionary"? (author/s, edition).

Walde-Hoffmann, Heidelberg 1982, re-edited after the edition of 1938
with preface of J.B. Hoffmann

>
>> It seems more safe to assume the "lingua romana" is not given
>> because is not relevant to etymology or maybe because it is a
>> late expresion hence the expresions as lingua prisca, lingua
>> latina, lingua peregrina are used very usual in clasical latin.
>
> You make too many assumptions which do not cope with facts:
> "lingua romana" is a Latin legitimate pattern defining Latin
> tongue attested in Classical period. "rustica romana lingua"
> is the late creation which refers to (Proto-)Romance. I don't
> know why your dictionary doesn't speak about "romana lingua"
> or "lingua romana" and frankly, this is far from being a point
> of major concern for myself.
>
> Marius Iacomi

I don't know if this is a major point or not. I am aware in the
expresions of Catto about "lingua rustica" and how I underlined before
"lingua peregrina", "lingua barbara", "lingua prisca", but not "lingua
romana" or "lingua romana rustica". The "lingua romana rustica" cannot
be by no way any reference to (Proto-)Romance . If you assume that, then
you will place the Proto-Romance somewhere in the II century BC if not
more deeper in the past because the expresions lingua rustica are even,
very old.
I am sorry for insisting, but this is simply just a constatation which I
made and this could be explained trough ignorance of not having read in
latin some text which will show the cotrary. But for sure Miguel or you
should know better and maybe with some references you will show me where
I have to see with my own eyes.


alex