> > > > [...]see.
> > > > Ops, that about the voiced/voiceless was new to me. Now I
> > > > Kapiert.to
> > >
> > > Wirklich, Eva? Then go tell your countrymen. The rule is known
> > > everybody but never endorsed expressis verbis.harassment.
> > This is what I call muscle logic. Males are always tempted.
> Now I think the time ha come for me to object against sexual
> Chromosomes are not at stake her; I ask only for logic and fairplay.
> Oh, sorry, I jumped to the conclusion you were German because of theYes, if your tone was not disrespectful, it would not have been a
> interspersed German in your postings.
> I have made about you - or are you referring to other assumptions?For example, that Germans are in desperate need to be informed. Read
> > Generally, the scientificof us
> > method implies much of what is already written may be wrong.
> How very true, we correct and reject things all the time, and those
> who are trying to be active in the field must accept beingcriticized just
> as much.Exactly :-) Your remarks don't get better when you include my
> > One such
> > assumption of wrong-ness attracted me towards this field.
> Sounds very interesting, I'm sure I'm not the only one who would
> to tell us more.Yes, gladly, when I feel like it. One thing at a time.
> I suppose we all agree.This is never absolutely necessary.
> Nostratic if that requirement had to be met every time. But one canget
> close to the heart and soul of the branches of Indo-European byreading
> some 50 pages of text in each of some 15 well-chosen languages.Yes, but my observations show this is not always enough. It is
> Don't tell anybody I said so, but there is no comparative method,that
> term is an empty noun phrase.Okay, I respect your view, but I do think there is a difference in
> out what has happened to a set of related languages on their wayfrom the
> putative protolanguage to the oldest stages we find documented.One could read this in a lexicon. It is not what I meant.
> the traces and want to know how they came about. What we do is notobserves the
> essentially different from what a police detective does if he
> traces of a crime and wants to know what happened back at the timewhen it
> did happen.Exactly, like wondering where a particular piece of "knowledge" stems
> You are very right. In this field you may run into someparticularly nasty
> frustrations on that score. There is little consistency in thenotation of
> the phonological elements of the protolanguage, nor even agreementon the
> point whether they are phonemes or rather have some other status.You sing my soul here.
> Neither do I, unless I watch it being done against me (or againstsomebody
> else) from all around. Sadly, that is frequently the case.But it does not seem to concern me since I have not talked politics.
> really try to do that, and I am very sorry if you get a differentI did. Germans have nothing to do with what I have learned and what
> self-defense. God knows I have been provoked; I try not to provokeback.
> > possible languages at the university, so all the possibleliterature
> > you are talking about is actually being used as a reference here.real and
> I know that, I just didn't know where you were. My concerns are not
> political in any sense of the word; I was concerned about giving
> unbiased advice.If so, appreciated.
> > you imagine how much of useful and useless literature you canfind at
> > the Staatsbibliothek-Berlin? And that's just one of the librariesYou
> > here.
> I know exactly what you are talking about. That was my reason for
> commenting on the basic handbooks, but I obviously started too low.
> desperately need to get started in Greek, and Berlin is a splendidplace
> to get it; then Indo-European will open up as you go along learningGreek
> - especially if you already have a knowledge of Sanskrit.I know that. Thanks for the advice though. I feel that I miss Greek
> practically all of his magnificent analyses on the sole basis ofSanskrit
> and Greek. Saussure's "Memoire" on the IE vowel system in manyrespects
> reads like a morphophonemic analysis of Sanskrit, and its generallist 125
> character is highly akin to the discussions we are having on this
> years later.And I miss French :-) I learned German in one and a half years to be
> helped by the special notation of, say, /e/ and /o/ as a1 and a2;there is
> a Russian translation in a collection entitled Trudy pojazykoznaniju,
> Moskva 1977.Ops! That might work. Thanks for that as well.
> > And you need many others.look
> Sure, sure, this was meant for starters. To get discouraged just
> through the majestic bibliography of Meier-Bruegger's book.I have done it, oh, dear. But I am not discouraged :-)
> moment, that book is where you go see what you have missed in yourarticles it
> reading. Mostly it does not state the point of the books and
> refers to, so you have to do that bit yourself, and it often takes aI have used it and found it extremely dry and not very helpful.
> frustrating turn when you see how limited the actual wisdom was.
> does offer you the opportunity to get acquainted with a huge amountof
> literature. I am sure it would have been a better introduction ifthe
> oversized reference frame had been reduced and more had been saidabout
> the subject-matter in the main text which is in fact surprisinglylimited.
> > Everything is known in Berlin, Jens :-) It is just that some ofit
> > might not have reached me, naturally.It sounded more like talking to Berlin, but anyway.
> Sure, I was talking to you, not to Berlin :-)
> > I will definitely find them in the library. I am generallyfrustrated
> > I can only read Meillet in translation. That will change soon.Yes, I understand a lot of French, but I do need some grammar and
> That's the spirit. French may be a language you should begin reading
> before you know it in your bones.
> > listwill
> > > you can contribute to the brew out of which future scholarship
> > > perhaps be distilled.Sure, after all. You gave me some great ideas, after letting Germans
> > That should be the whole point.
> We do *so* agree.