Re: [tied] Marked nominative

From: Jens Elmegaard Rasmussen
Message: 22081
Date: 2003-05-18

Right, the -pp- is a distinct mark of the vocative. The word has two forms
/ju:piter/ and /juppiter/, the latter with short /u/. At least, that is
what the "littera-Gesetz" says. That, however, is not much of a law, since
it only says that IF a consonant undergoes expressive gemination (as
typically in hycoristics), THEN the preceding vowel must be short
(and shortened if need be). However, even if the form arose in the
vocative it was also used for the nominative, wherefore I have jokingly
used it to exemplify a mighty marked nominative as opposed to the stem
used in other cases. I do not expect anybody to laugh at it for very long,
but there are so few jokes one can make in comparative linguistics that we
should perhaps be grateful for what little we have.


On Sun, 18 May 2003, Miguel Carrasquer wrote:

> On Sun, 18 May 2003 13:20:53 +0100, P&G <petegray@...>
> wrote:
> >>> Lat. nom. Juppiter
> >>>it is simply the stem iou + s, followed by the word "father".
> >>Actually, the vocative *diƩu (without -s) + pater.
> >
> >Why? Isn't the double -pp- easier to derive from Ious-pater than Ioupater?
> I don't think there can be a rule /sp/ > /pp/ in Latin. The relevant
> rule here, I think, is V:C > VCC (Iu:piter > Iuppiter).
> =======================
> Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
> mcv@...
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