Re: Ukrainian words from Carpathians

From: tolgs001
Message: 22041
Date: 2003-05-17

>the problem is somewhere else george. The problem is just the
>linguistic aspect, the other aspects are clear enough.
> steps:
>-there have been thracians, none known which a language
>they spoked

[Indeed, "spoked" is a linguistic problem. ;-) (Fara d! speak,
spoke, spoken - ca'n germana: sprechen, sprach, gesprochen.

Why do you leave out Dacians, Moesians, Illyrians/Pannonians
and Scythians? Neither their languages are known.

>They became romanised .

The primeval proto-Romanian population wasn't made
of Romanized Thracians *only.* OTOH, the Latin-speakers
themselves weren't all from Italy.

>That does not mean they have took

[alt verb neregulat: take, took, taken]

>- all this happens in 400 years.

By the way: what's your opinion on the Romanization
in Gaul?

>forget its language, take an another, the Latin

They were on the verge to forget this one, too,
and get Slavicized.

>Niente, nix, null komma nix. I say " no trace"

This is as wrong and false as the opposite extreme,
namely that everything we hear/read is not Romance,
but the ancient (Thracian?) idiom, just a li'l bit
changed here and there. ;-)

>because the names , toponyms, etc are not
>considerated as having too much to say.

Not because of that, but because of some... professionalism
in dealing with all these things (as Piotr very well pointed

>Even if the valahians lived South of Danube, how does
>it come there is nothing more in their latin as the very
>simple terms of life?

There are a few words that Northern Romanians have lost
for good; e.g. "ma" (as in Italian), which in Northern
Romanian exists only chiefly in Oltenia in the phrase
"machea?"; "campanile" (for which in Northern Rum. you
only have the Slavic clopotele); "aratru" (for which
in your dialect there ain't nothin' but "plug") & al.

OTOH, referring to "simple terms of life", what do
you expect from people constrained to a semi-agricultural
semi-pastoral life for centuries? Of course, such a
populace won't have much leisure time dedicated to
Horace, Seneca, Ovid, Virgil & al. or...

>the corpus of Greek literature

... or to this one. :-)

>big amount of lexical identities of Latin & Greek ,

Well, some resemblance must be there: they're a li'l
bit related, and in the kentum branch at that.

>the linguists will have said the Greek language belongs
>too to the Eastern Romance

Oh! :-)