Re: [tied] Ukrainian words from Carpathians

From: george knysh
Message: 22016
Date: 2003-05-17

--- alex_tiscali_dsl <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
> Reconsidering the ptoblem of the romanian elemetns
> in the North of
> Carpathian, N. Draganu (Rom. s. IX-XIV,326-415)
> showed that the Romanian
> expansion from Arva, Zips, Saos, Zemplen, Ung and
> from the Carpaths of
> Maramures, in Galitia further to west until Krakau,
> in North until
> Ptipet and in East until Podolia has been made in
> the XI-XII century.

*****GK: What does he base this hypothesis on? There
may have been Romanians in the Hungarian armies which
occasionally invaded Galicia in the 12th and 13th
centuries, but they are not mentioned separately.
"Expansion" is not the right word here. There is no
record of settlement. On that basis, we could argue
that the Irish "expanded" all the way to Kyiv because
there was an Irish monastic presence there before
1240.(:=)))*******

> The most part of the imigration has took place in
> the XCV century
> specialy due their service in diverese armyes of the
> lords from these
> regions. In Galitia has been 350villages where has
> allways used the old
> "Jus Valahorum" (the valahian laws, or if you do not
> have anything
> against, I will call them as in antiquity "Leges
> Belages").

******GK: Alex, it has been known for a very long time
that the "Jus Valachorum" ("Voloshs'ke Pravo") in
Galicia in the 14th and 15th century was
overwhelmingly used by local peasants, not by Romanian
colonists. Most of the life of these "Valachian"
villages continued to be regulated by the traditional
"Rus' Law". The "militarization" of many of these
villages is a later phenomenon, as is the co-optation
of their "knyazi" into the local secondary
aristocracy. The Romanian (actually Moldavian)
influence is clear, but this is a borrowed system, not
evidence of colonization.******

I'll look at your word list separately.


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