[tied] Re: Labiovelar in Latin

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex_tiscali_dsl" wrote:

>
> m_iacomi wrote:
>>> I guess it is easealy to observe even in Aromanian here "cari
>>> yini"= DacoRomanian "care vine" pronounced as expected "cari
>>> g'ine". but the two ways to write here should be edificative.
>>
>> False. The Aromanian letter "y" transcribes a voiced [h], not
>> existing in other Romanian dialects. It's by all means the result
>> of Greek influence post Common Romanian phase: no substrate there.
>
> Just for the scientific rules you allways call, how you will like
> to show there is no substrate but of course Greek influence?

Before elaborating useless replies, you should have read and tried
to understand the information I gave to you. The voiced [h] is _not_
the same phoneme with [g']. So in Aromanian we have a _different_
phenomenon than the one you insist on in Dacoromanian. Since that
phoneme doesn't appear in other dialects and since it appears in
Greek (language intermingledly spoken with Aromanian in regions where
the phoneme is largely used in the latter), it's obviously the
result of Greek influence, as well as [th] in the very same dialect.

> [...] there is not a Greek influence to explain this word to speak
> in North of Romania aka Maramu and Moldova

Never said that. Dacoromanian regional [g'] instead of [b] or [v]
is just a normal late development which wasn't so much successful.
It appears also in Italian dialects, as I already showed (cf. Rohlfs)
and is not connected with Italian evolution nor with the _different_
Aromanian phenomenon you quoted ignoring the real pronunciation.

Marius Iacomi