The Carpathians (Was: Re: [tied] Ukrainian words from Carpathians)

From: george knysh
Message: 21961
Date: 2003-05-16

--- Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:
the name of
> the Carpathians 'the Rockies' (cf. Alb. karp�),
> which is well over 2000 years old, it may be a
> surviving substrate word.
>
> Piotr

******GK: When is the term "Carpathian" mountains
first attested? I don't seem to have this information
in my notes. In mediaeval Ukraine they were known as
the "Ugrian" (or "Hungarian") mountains. There is
evidence that an earlier designation was the
"Caucasian" mountains ("Kavkasiiskiia"). This is
usually linked to to Caucoenses mentioned by Ptolemy
(a Dacian tribe) and the Caucaland noted by Ammianus
Marcellinus. So what about "Carpathians"? Is the
relation with the historical Carpi genuine? Would that
not have given something lke "Karps'kii" or
"Karpiiskii" in Slavic? Whence this "ath" ? *******


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