Re: [tied] Re: Moldova

From: george knysh
Message: 21759
Date: 2003-05-11

--- tolgs001 <gs001ns@...> wrote:
> What's the tree name in Ukrainian? (mol___?)

*****GK: I wasn't able to find anything resembling
this in Ukrainian. In our language this tree is called
"yalyna" or "smereka". Of course a forest of such,
newly planted, would be called "molodnyak", but this
is not a term that applies to trees exclusively, and
the root here is the "young" word.*****

the assumption that in the Trajan's wars the
> Dacian perished is anyway wrong (and abandoned for
> 1-2 centuries now). Because there are sources saying
> Dacians existed after the conquest, as well as
> "free"
> Dacian outside the occupied territory. After the
> Roman administration retreated in 271 under
> Aurelianus,
> those free ones, of course, had the upper hand.
> What's OTOH striking -- and it should be to Alex,
> too -- is that, in spite of Dacians having regained
> freedom, they disappeared (as a distinct ethno-ling-
> uistic entity) 3-4 centuries later for good, leaving
> almost no valuable (I mean distinct) linguistic
> traces.
> Since there isn't any account on an outstanding
> massacre or epidemiologic occurrence, common sense
> urges us to think of some assimilation or another
> (into the Romance-speaking or the Slavic-speaking
> masses - or both).

*****GK: We have some information about some of the
"free Dacian" groups. The Costoboki (located in
today's Ukrainian Galicia) were quite powerful in the
2nd c., and even mounted a major raid against Roman
Greece around 170. But within a few years they were
conquered by the Vandals, and disappeared as a
distinct group. Some ethnographers think that today's
"Bojki" (in Galicia) could be descendants, but there's
no firm proof. The Carpi were well known in the 3rd
c., and participated in a number of Gothic assaults
against Rome. But by the beginning of the 4th c. they
were pushed out by their erstwhile allies, and settled
in the Roman Empire (Pannonia I believe). There is a
bit of confirmation (in the Kyivan Chronicle) that
some of these older ethna were Slavonized. (And some,
as you say, joined the Romance speakers). Re the
Slavonization: this is the naive (if famous) theory
that Slavs originated on the Danube. The populations
of the Augustus to Trajan period along the river,
which were conquered by the Romans, are simply (and
erroneously) designated as "Slavs" in the

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