Re: Proto-Albanian

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex_lycos" <altamix@...> wrote:

> Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:
> > Since Alex evidently desires to know the whole story of the 'pea'
> > word, here it is:
> >
> > The pre-Albanian word was probably *ma:dos, from the root *mad-

found

> > in various names of foodstuffs, e.g. Eng. meat (< *mati-,

originally

> > meaning 'food') and (beech) mast. This became Proto-Albanian *ma:d
> > (after the loss of the nom.sg. ending), alternating with *ma:dz-.

The

> > affricate developed regularly before inflectional endings lost

later

> > than nom.sg. *-os, and was subsequently generalised throughout the
> > paradigm, producing the new nom.sg. *ma:dz. The suffix *-ela: > *-

ëlë

> > > Alb. -ullë, Rom. -ãre (with rhotacism, as expected) was added
> > rather late, otherwise intervocalic *-d- (or *-dz-) would have

been

> > lost
> >
> > To sum up, the common ancestor of Alb. modhullë and Rom mazãre is
> > something like *ma:dz-ëlë
>
>
> mmmmmm, just if you agree the suffix is "-ele". From an /e/ we can

have

> an /ë/ but I guess not from an /ë/ an /e/.
> The romanian form is with /e/ at the end "mazãre".
> How is to explain the different threatment of the suffix *-elV (V=

e or

> a?) in Albanian? See please here:
> "modhullë, vjedhullë" but "mugull, sumbull/thumbull" ?
>
> A very intersting question should be how is spelt the word "Danube,
> Donau" in Albanian, maybe Abdullah will help us out here.

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Danau was spelt earler Tuna and today Danub. I am afraid that first
variant may be under influence of Turkish or Osmanish, but I am not
sure.
I must notice here that we have unvoiced stop in river name: Llap,
besides Slavic form Llab, that preserves much older form. Also, there
is oronim Korab and also river name in antiquity Abhas.
Also in indifinite form, at the end of the words, we have always
unvoiced stops, until in definite, voiced ones: thelp, but thelbi,
etc.
I owe these explanations to M. Vidal.

Konushevci