[tied] Re: Hittite preterites

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Jens Elmegaard Rasmussen <jer@...>
wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, Sergejus Tarasovas wrote:
>
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Jens Elmegaard Rasmussen

<jer@...>

> > wrote:
>
> > > However, I wonder if cases of an apparently meaningless suffix
> > > *-wo- and nasal presents in apparently suffixed *-new-/*-nu-
> > > could reflect roots that were actually longer but lost some
> > > material in so many forms that they were registered in too
> > > short a form.
> >
> > Is it a beginning of a new thread? If not, I must admit you won: I
> > can't see how this is related to the PIE phonotactic features I

was

> > wondering about.
>
> Oh no? I meant you may be on to something in terms of root structure
> adjustments in prestages of PIE. Perhaps unpleasant root structures

were

> brought into line with overall rules by a variety of strategies

depending

> on the specific phonotactic setting, but left alone where they

presented

> no difficulties. And, just as with roots in -Hy- which have largely

caused

> misinterpretation of the -y- as a suffixed element, thus some other
> structures could perhaps also contain high-sonantic elements that

have

> been put down as suffixes in our handbooks. A case in point may be

Skt.

> cinoïti 'pile up' with PPP citaï- (Lith. kitas 'other' from

*'added'?)

> which it would be nice to combine with Gk. poieïo: 'I make,

compose' under

> a root form *kWeyw-; that would be no problem for *kWi-ne-w-ti, nor

for

> *kWoyw-eyo:, but it would demand the assumption that the

anteconsonantal

> zero grade changed from *kWyw-to- into *kWi-to-, or that, at an

earlier

> time, the anteconsonantal root form was reduced from *kWeyw- to

*kWey-. I

> wouldn't know how to test such a possibility except by waiting for
> examples to show up.
>
> Jens

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I think that PIE root *kwoyw-eyo explain much better then everything
that Alb. verb sajoj 'to make, to create' (derivatives:
sajesë 'creation, making', i sajuar 'coined, invented') was inherited
and not a loan from Turkish adjective sayIklI 'clever', as Meyer has
explained it. It also prooves that labiovelar *kw not only before
front vowels reflects Alb. s, fact that I have noticed also in other
examples. Greek verb poieio is as phoneticly as semanticly its true
cognat.

Konushevci