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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
<piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Abdullah Konushevci" <a_konushevci@...>
> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 5:05 PM
> Subject: [tied] Re: Albanian-Romanian Concordances
>
>
>
> > Alb. Sorrë is derived from PIE *kareka (about /k/ > /s/ in
Albanian
> we have discussed before)
>
> There's no PIE *kareka to begin with (if you think otherwise, what
forms in what languages point to such a reconstruction?). Rom.
cioarã (as even Alex has observed) looks exactly like the
reconstructed prototype of *sorrë, i.e. *c^orë. The emphatic
rhotic /rr/ is usually taken to reflect a cluster such as *-rn-, *-
rw- or *-rj-, but we should admit the possibility that in the name
of a corvine bird it's an echoic "hardening".
>
> Alb. s- < *c^- derives not only from palatalised *kW, but also
from *k^w- (likewise, we have Alb. z- from *g^(H)w-). This allows us
to pair <sorrë> with Balto-Slavic *C(w)árka: 'magpie' < *k^(w)orh2-k-
ah2 (plus Skt. s'a:ri:, s'a:rika- ', and Gk. koraks 'raven'; a
connection with *k(W)ers- 'black', as proposed by Demiraj, is far
less compelling). I think a vr.ddhied formation *k^we:rh2-ah2 (or
possibly *k^we:rh2-ih2, with PAlb. *-a: substituted for feminine *-
i:, in which case it would correspond to Skt. s'a:r-i:) would work
well for Albanian and is easier to justify than *k^we:rna:
(Pokorny's choice). The lengthening would be as in Skt.
na:ri: 'lady' or PGmc. *kWe:ni- (> Eng. queen).
>
> To sum up:
>
> *k^we:rh2(-ih2) > *cwa:r-a: > *c^orë > sorrë
>
> Piotr
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In "Le Vocabulaire Indo-Européen, Lexique étymologique thématique"
(Paris, 1984) by X. Delamarre we found in paqe 139: *karhka 'pie':
(sk.) sarika 'pie', (arm.)sareak 'etourneau', (lit.) arka 'pie',
(rus.) soroka 'id', pt. e. aussi (alb.) sorrë 'corneille'.
Konushevci