[tied] Re: albanian prefix "stër-"

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
<piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:

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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Abdullah Konushevci" <a_konushevci@...>
> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 7:11 PM
> Subject: [tied] Re: albanian prefix "stër-"
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> > As I have explained once, labiovelar *kw- gives in Albanian

regularly /-s-/.

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> Only before front vowels (*e, *i) and *j.
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> > Otherwise, if we see katër `four' we may notice that second

part -twer developed in -tër. It can be easy explained, if we get,
besides PIE *kwetwer also an synonymic one *kwotwor ...

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> Unfortunately, since such a form is nowhere attested, one should

not assume it so lightly.

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> > with treating the diphthong /uo/ > /a/ as is treated

diphthong /au/ > /a/. PIE *a and *o (I mean short vowels)

> both derives in Albanian /a/.
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> The stem of the numeral 'four' had two main variants in PIE:
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> (a) *kWetwor- (the corresponding weak form was usually *kWetwr.-,

*kWetur- or metathesised *kWetru-)

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> (b) *kWt[u]wor- (weak forms *kWtwr.-, *kWtur-, *kWtru-).
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> Both sets of forms were prone to various modifications and

analogical restructuring. The initial cluster *kWt- in (b), if not
preserved, could lose its initial element (*kWt- > *t-, as in Skt.
turi:ya- 'fourth'), receive an epenthetic weak vowel (*kWt- > *kW&t-
as in Lat. quattuor or Hom.Gk. pisures) or be remodelled on the
analogy of (a). All Albanian forms derive from the *kW&t- variant,
which became Proto-Albanian *kat-. The further development was
completely regular:

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> The cardinal:
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> *kW&twores > *katwar- > katër
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> The ordinal:
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> *kW&twr.-to-/*kW&tru-to- > *katurt-/*katrut- > ka(:)tërt-/katrët-
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> Piotr

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But, what about Alb. sa 'how' and Latin quod, where we have the same
modification of kwo- > sa. Or, lets take Greek tra- in trapezium
from zero grade *kwt(w)r (cf. Lat. ratio > arsye through metathesis
r-a > a-r).
Do You not accept that consonant cluslter st- is not developet in
sht-, or do You suggest that stër- is derived from italian stra-, as
Dalmatian, Romanian, or what else.
I know that in Persion we have çaher, mostly reduced in compound to
çar (cf. çardak, çarsu, Çaršabme, besides Peršembe in Turkish, etc.).
It may be also Alb. intesiv prefix s- to the root tër- (cf.
tërmek/em `to be nettled, to be annoyed', tërplote "1/4, vierteil',
etc.).

Konushevci