Re[2]: [tied] Vladimir

At 9:41:54 AM on Saturday, March 29, 2003, alex_lycos wrote:

> Brian M. Scott wrote:

>> At 3:12:38 AM on Saturday, March 29, 2003, alex_lycos wrote:

>>> Is the slavic name "vladimir" a methatesised form of the
>>> germanic name "waldemar"?

>> No., <Waldemar> is a Danish form of <Vladimir>, partly
>> influenced by OHG <Waldomar>

> So you mean the original name is "Vladimir" and the
> Germanic variants should be these with "wald-".

They aren't really variants. The Slavic name was borrowed
and 'umgeformt'. One of the earliest -- perhaps the
earliest -- bearer of the name <Waldemar> was king Valdemar
the Great of Denmark (died 1182); he was named after his
mother's paternal grandfather, Vladimir, Duke of Novgorod.

> I am not aware of what 'vladimir' in slavic will mean

The first element is OCS <vlasti> 'to rule' (stem <vladi->),
cognate with Gmc. <Wald->; the second is OCS <mirU> 'peace',
which is *not* cognate with the Gmc. <-mar>. The Gmc.
second element is cognate with OHG <ma:ri>, OE <mæ:re>,
Goth. <me:reis> 'famous, illustrious'.

Brian