Re: [tied] Japanese as a creole language?

From: aquila_grande
Message: 20430
Date: 2003-03-27

The sytax/morphology of Japaneze is in many ways similar to other So-
called Altaic languages, but these are propertie commonly found
together in many languages around the world. You can easyly find
Amerindian languages with exactly the same sytactic/morphological
traits.

In exactly the same way, you wil find svo-laguages around the world
that resamble English in gramatical structure- for exaple chinese and
vietnmamese.

As far as I know, there are no (or nearly no) basic gramatical
elements in japaneze and Altaic that are common.

What are the common nom, acc, gen, dat, abl, loc, instr endings? The
japaneze particles do not resemble the Turkish ones at all - perhaps
exept for the genitive ending Turkish -(n)in/ Japaneze -no.

And what about the pronouns - japaneze does not at all have a pronoun
system comparable to the altaic one.

What you find are completely different elements that happen to be
combined in a similar way.




In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Glen Gordon" <glengordon01@...> wrote:
>
>
> Harald:
> >But he's saying it's not established that there was a parent
language.
>
> I really don't see how one can ignore the established connections
of the
> various branches of what we would call "Altaic" for the idea that
they
> are somehow unrelated in the end. Why on earth then do they share
such
> similar morphology and vocabulary? It can't _all_ be from loans. If
we
> take away the "Altaic" elements, what do we have left?? It's funny
how
> the Altaic opponents don't seriously elaborate on that.
>
> Afais, if the opposing hypothesis can't be stated in ten words or
less,
> it's not worth considering.
>
>
> - gLeN
>
>
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