[tied] Eric Hamp [Re: Dacian]

Dear Alvin
I am afraid that honi "abyss" is from neo-Greek khoni (Meyer, 153).
Concerning the word hyj "God", I mean and I write that I doubt that
it's from Greek ho huios "son" and is linked from the first steps of
spreading of the Christianization in Albanian culture. Due to the
Holy Trinity, the Greek word ho huios get in Albanian the meaning of
God (See Fjalori fetar dhe feja e shqiptarëve in www. Shqiperia.com).
Also, Albanian hir "grace, light" I doubt that is close linked to
semitic languages (cf. hyrije "nimph", pl. hur). This word is often
used in sintagm hiri i Zotit "the light of God" or me hir "to do
somthing willingley or with the light of God" and pa hir "to do
somthing without the light of God". There are some indications that
it could be the impact of Arameic, if we take as true that The New
Testament is written first in Arameic. About the last word hi, ~ni
there are evidences that it's form PIE root *sku:ts (cf. i
përhitë "grey", cf. also Delamarre, VIE, Lexique étymologique
thématique", Paris, 1984, p.109)

Yours:
Abdullah Konushevci

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "mbikqyres" <a96_aeu@...> wrote:
> Hello !
> I found some more Albanian words on the theme coming from the same
> PIE root *sk^Œi- (to glimmer; shadow) as follow;
> hyjni (God), hi (ash), hir (grace), hon (abyss).
>
> It took me some times to figure out that what Pokorny gives as
geg.
> huj = Gott is in fact Alb. 'hyjni' and when he speaks about (h)ona
=
> Schatten he is in fact speaking of Alb. hon(i) (abyss).
> I added hi (ash) to this group.
>
> Alvin
>
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
> <akonushevci@...> wrote:
> > Dear Alex
> > Albanian hirrë "Kasewaser" is realy from *sker with at most
> regular
> > evolution of cluster sk- > h- (cf. Alb. i huaj < hon "foreig"
and
> > Greek ksenos through metathesis; Alb. hana "moon" < PIE *skand-;
> > Alb. hije "shadow" (cf. Greek skia), Alb. hudra "garlic" (cf.
> Grrek
> > ta skorda "garlics"), Alb. hell "skewer" < PIE *sko:los, Alb. i
> > hollë "thin" (cf. Greek skeleton), Alb. hap < *skep- "spalten"
> > (Meyer, p.146), Alb. njoh "to know" < *gnosco, etc.
> > I must confirm that hajvan "animal" is oriental loanword.
> >
> > Regards:
> > Abdullah Konushevci
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex_lycos" <altamix@...>
wrote:
> > > tolgs001 wrote:
> > > > In:
> > > >
> > > > Eric Hamp, The Position of Albanian
> > > > http://members.tripod.com/~Groznijat/balkan/ehamp.html
> > >
> > > that is the link I found too.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > there is this sentence:
> > > >
> > > > <<For Salentine Greek, G. Rohlfs (Die Sprache 1959: 5.173-
175)
> > > > has proposed a Messapic etymon /*squeros/ for the
word /skero/,
> > > > and puts this in relation with
Albanian /hirrë/ "Käsewasser.">>
> > > >
> > > > Can Romanian "zer" and "[zar&]" be seen in this relationship
> > > > as well? ("zer"/"zară" mean "Käsewasser" - more or less)
> > > >
> > > > George
> > >
> > > I seen Romanian "zer" as the same as Latin "serum" and
> > Albanian "hirrë".
> > > The question is if Albanian "hirrë" can be from the same root
as
> > the
> > > serum and zer.
> > > We can try with "hagrep"= skorpion sakrep= skorpion where "h"
> > < "s" and
> > > with methathesis? Which is the ethymology of hagrep in
Albanian?
> > Upsss..
> > > Did someone asked abotu the ethymology of "Zagreb"? seems to
fit
> > here:)
> > > OK, is possible to have an albanian "h" from an "s"?
> > > I ask it because there is romanian "saivan" and
Alb. "haivan" ,
> > romanian
> > > "a sapa"= to dig, = Alb "hap"= to dig and much more. any
> comments?
> > >
> > > alex