alb. mbyt (it was: bathys)

Hi !
I guess we have to think of it as 'mbi+pi' (over+drink).
Don't forget that 'mbyt' (strangle, wreck, sink) does not only have
to do with creatures. It can be used when speaking of objects, as in
the case of a ship. Because a ship cann't be strangled but over-
filled with water (sinks) Demiraj's explanation of this word fits
well.

*p- was brought by me because I think he was aiming at this root-
form, the same Albanian 'pi' (drink) comes from (according Pokorny).
Demiraj mentions *peh3-i- as PIE to drink.

Regards
Alvin


--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<akonushevci@...> wrote:

> I agree that mb(ë)- is prefix, but where did he find than that *p-

ts-

> i or simply *p- and it's more logical someone to be stragled in

the

> water than drinking something.
>
> Regards:
> Abdullah Konushevci
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "mbikqyres" <a96_aeu@...> wrote:
> > Hi !
> >
> > Demiraj explains <mbys> as mb(ë) + *²p–ts´i-, where 'mb(ë)' is a
> > prefix while *²p–ts´i- < *pih3t-io- < *pih3-to- <*p– (PIE to
> drink).
> >
> > Regards
> > Alvin
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
> > <akonushevci@...> wrote:
> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
> > > <piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:
> > > In Albanian are also two derivates of probabley same root, but
> > > closely linked to water "ujtë": mbyt "to strangle, to
> suffocate",
> > > për- + mbytje "the great flood" and zhyt/shyt "to sink, to

dive,

> > to
> > > dip, tu plunge" (See also: E. Hemp, Evidence of laryngals). It
> > seems
> > > that we must search another root more convincable for these so
> > much
> > > related words. Also Greek abyssos "abys" take part in this.
> > >
> > > With regards:
> > > Abdullah Konushevci
> > >
> > > > Pokorny has <be:ssa> 'glen' (< *gWa:dHja:), <batHos> and

even

> > > <bentHos> (claimed to be analogical) under {gWa:dH-
> } 'eintauchen,
> > > untersinken'. I'm not convinced that his analyses are correct,
> but
> > > there it is.
> > > >
> > > > Piotr
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Antonio Sciarretta" <sciarretta@...>
> > > > To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 9:11 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [tied] bathys
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Brian,
> > > > this is not in Pokorny's, isn't it?
> > > > It seems that Pokorny derives bathys (actually the maybe
> related
> > > word
> > > > bythos) from a metathesis of *dheu-b 'deep'. Very unlikely.