From: João Simões Lopes Filho
Message: 19824
Date: 2003-03-14
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From: Antonio Sciarretta <sciarretta@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: [tied] Re: The Philistines
At 20:36 10.03.2003 -0300, you wrote:
>tyrannos is also currently linked to the Etruscan name of Venus, Turan.
>But it's hard to me not link *tyrrhenos to IE *dHrsu- "strong, bold".
>tyrrhenos, thyrsenos < *tHursenos
>tusculus < *torscolos < *tRsko-los < Greek *thurs-?
>
>I have a very personal idea that Do:ros "Dorian", came from IE *dHersos, of
>same meaning, through any Albanian-like language, dHerso->derHo->do:ro-.
>
>Other possibility is *dHerg^H- "strong", but transition dHRg^H > *tHurs-
>would need a Satemic via.
Why not *dHRg^H-s- 'strong, high' > *dRgHs- (dissimilation of the
aspirated) > *turs- 'tower, turris', in a language that made the voiced
voiceless and developed sonants into u-vocalization?
>Joao SL
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Glen Gordon <glengordon01@...>
>To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 8:11 PM
>Subject: Re: [tied] Re: The Philistines
>
>
> >
> > >The reason I raised this "Seren" point is that it seems just
> > >about the only Philistine word (non-Semitic) to have survived,
> > >other than some personal names.
> >
> > It's funny. This /tarwannas/=/tyrannos/ thing looks a lot like
> > the word I reconstructed for Proto-Tyrrhenian, *Tarw¨¦sena "Tyrrhenian,
> > person/people of Troy" from *Tarw¨¦se "Troy; of Taru", built on *Tar¨²,
> > a deity of storm borrowed from the Hattic.
> >
> > You say it means just "lord"? Funny, is all. I feel tempted to suggest
> > *tarw¨¦na "one of Taru" as a tantalizing origin :) Just for fun at
least.
> > Afterall, one site (http://www.metrum.org/gyges/tyrannos.htm) mentions:
> > "No matter what was the original meaning of the word .us tyrannos, the
> > Greeks understood it as having the meaning of military leader,
> > specifically of leader of hoplite troops." Hmm, yes, a connection with
> > Taru is really, really tempting given a military connection.
> >
> >
> > >I rather doubt the Ph. were Mycenaean Greeks (despite the pottery
> > >argument). And their origin from "Kaphtor" (which doesn't necessarily
> > >stand only for Crete) remains obscure. All we know is that they
suddenly
> > >appear in Egyptian records under their name (sometime in the first
third
> > >of the 12th c. BC), that they are a component of the "People of the
> > >Sea"
> >
> > Gee, sounds very Tyrrhenian. It seems to me that the Etruscans would
> > have travelled from Asia Minor to Italy in the following centuries to
> > come while other languages like Lemnian and Eteo-Cypriot lingered in
> > the area for a while longer.
> >
> > To me, the "Sea Peoples" were a collection of peoples with differing
> > cultures and languages but I think that a major chunk of them were
> > Tyrrhenian-speaking peoples that dispersed around the time you mention
> > above, perhaps because of famine and perhaps also because of other
> > Indo-European peoples pushing them out.
> >
> > Or so I thinks so far. Does everyone hate me now?
> >
> >
> > - gLeN
> >
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