>But with my scenario there would be no flooding, since the surface
> --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> > --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Daniel J. Milton"
> > <dmilt1896@...>
> > wrote:
> > > The one seriously proposed shoreline change
> > that might have had
> > > a significant effect on Indo-European origins is
> > the one proposed
> > in
> > > Pitman et al.'s "Noah's Flood" book, where the
> > Mediterranean broke
> > > through the straits and flooded a supposed
> > sub-sealevel freshwater
> > > predecessor of the Black Sea (I believe someone
> > brought this up on
> > > Cybalist a while ago). However, there was a paper
> > by a Turkish
> > > group in the journal Geology last year (I can
> > check the ref. if
> > > anyone wants it) that demolished the theory.
> > Essentially, they
> > > demonstrated (to my satisfaction at least) that
> > through the time
> > > when Pitman would have a mighty cataract pouring
> > northward,
> > > sediments in the Sea of Marmara were quietly
> > prograding southward.
> > That's strange, since that's the Old Greek version
> > too (by I forgot
> > whom). How about this scenario:
> > 1) The Black Sea is a melt water lake with a level
> > above that of the
> > oceans, in the vicinity of several inland glaciers,
> > connected to the
> > Oceans by a river flowing south and west in what is
> > now the Bosporus
> > and Dardanelles.
> > 2) Catastrophic collapse of glaciers overfills Black
> > Sea, causing it
> > to spill huge volumes of water though the river to
> > the Ocean.
> > 3) This erodes the bottom of the river to below sea
> > level.
> > 4) After the catastrophic outflow, sea water passes
> > though the
> > expanded channel (= present Bosporus, Dardanelles).
> > Viola!
> > Torsten
> *****GK: I have a much simpler reason for not
> attaching any "cultural" significance whatsoever to
> the so-called "Black Sea Flood" of ca. 5500BC,
> especially as to the north shore. First of all the
> flooded areas were not that extensive in terms of the
> original basin of the fresh water Lake. And secondly,
> if there were notable centers of civilization there,
> this would inevitably have been demonstrated through
> the presence of at least some "trade objects" among
> their more "primitive" neighbours to the north (or in
> the Crimean mountains). But there is absolutely
> nothing there for the period prior to 5500BC which
> suggests that the culture presumably existing around
> the shores of the Lake was significantly different
> from that of their immediate northern neighbours.*****