Re: [tied] Re: The Philistines

--- Glen Gordon <glengordon01@...> wrote:

>
> >(GK)The reason I raised this "Seren" point is that

it

> seems just
> >about the only Philistine word (non-Semitic) to
> have survived,
> >other than some personal names.
>
> It's funny. This /tarwannas/=/tyrannos/ thing looks
> a lot like
> the word I reconstructed for Proto-Tyrrhenian,
> *Tarw��sena "Tyrrhenian,
> person/people of Troy" from *Tarw��se "Troy; of
> Taru", built on *Tar��,
> a deity of storm borrowed from the Hattic.
>
> You say it means just "lord"?

*****GK: Actually I'm not sure. I must admit (blush)
that I got this information from a website. But it
seemed defensible. Speaking of Troy, that same source
suggested that the Philistine royal name "AKISH" could
be related to the well-known "Anchises" of Troy. Those
I've reviewed who seek to locate the
(proto-Philistines) in Anatolia don't say exactly
where.******

Funny, is all. I feel

> tempted to suggest
> *tarw��na "one of Taru" as a tantalizing origin :)
> Just for fun at least.
> Afterall, one site
> (http://www.metrum.org/gyges/tyrannos.htm) mentions:
> "No matter what was the original meaning of the word
> .us tyrannos, the
> Greeks understood it as having the meaning of
> military leader,
> specifically of leader of hoplite troops." Hmm, yes,
> a connection with
> Taru is really, really tempting given a military
> connection.
>
>
> >(GK)I rather doubt the Ph. were Mycenaean Greeks
> (despite the pottery
> >argument). And their origin from "Kaphtor" (which
> doesn't necessarily
> >stand only for Crete) remains obscure. All we know
> is that they suddenly
> >appear in Egyptian records under their name
> (sometime in the first third
> >of the 12th c. BC), that they are a component of
> the "People of the
> >Sea"
>
> Gee, sounds very Tyrrhenian. It seems to me that the
> Etruscans would
> have travelled from Asia Minor to Italy in the
> following centuries to
> come while other languages like Lemnian and
> Eteo-Cypriot lingered in
> the area for a while longer.
>
> To me, the "Sea Peoples" were a collection of
> peoples with differing
> cultures and languages but I think that a major
> chunk of them were
> Tyrrhenian-speaking peoples that dispersed around
> the time you mention
> above, perhaps because of famine and perhaps also
> because of other
> Indo-European peoples pushing them out.
>
> Or so I thinks so far. Does everyone hate me now?

******GK: Well I see no reason why the Philistines
could not have had a Tyrrhenian component. I wonder if
our other linguists have some alternate views on this
"Seren" etc... Or if some of the non-Semitic names of
the area can be analyzed as Tyrrhemian or IE or
whatever.******

>
>
> - gLeN
>
>
>

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