[tied] Re: Celts/Gauls

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Michael J Smith <lookwhoscross-
eyednow@...> wrote:

> Hi Torsten, you wrote:
>
> > In my opinion, the Tungri (after whom Tongern in Flanders was

named)

> >
> > were Thuringians, thus the first tribe to speak Germanic as we

know

> > it
>
> Torsten, what do you mean by them being the first to speak
>Germanic
> as we know it?

The first Germanic speaking tribes we hear about are the Sciri and
Bastarnae around 200 BCE in Southern Poland. They probably came from
Scandinavia. Contemporary writers say the language of the Bastarnae
(note the the name) was corrupted because of their close relations
with the Sarmatians.
The language of the Iranian-elite, Bastarnean rank-and-file host in
Thuringia (Snorri's Saxland); let's call it Tungrian, was then a
further mixing up of the two languages (but based on Bastarnean).
This Tungrian language is then Proto-Germanic, as we know it. The
language of Scandinavia at the time, which I call Old Germanic, was,
as a result of the "Odin" invasion, replaced by a dialect of Tungrian.

>
> (but note: no Germanic shift yet, it must have taken place just
> > after); later, as more tribes were subjugated and picked up the

new

> > camp language, all these tribes were known as Germani.
>
> What's this new camp language? Do you mean they spoke Celtic

before

> acquiring the Thuringian's dialect or a different form of

Germanic?

Not Celtic. Thuringia in my book is the Urheimat of both West and
North Germanic as we know it.
They: Iranian-speaking cavalry and Bastarnean speaking infantry.

>ANd
> what evidence is there of the Tungri being the Thuringians?

None, except that the names are alike and the peoples appear at the
same time. That's good enough for me.

> WOuld love to know- Michael

Torsten