Re: [tied] More nonsense: Is English /d/ truely voiced?

From: Patrick C. Ryan
Message: 19342
Date: 2003-02-27

Dear Piotr:

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Subject: Re: [tied] More nonsense: Is English /d/ truely voiced?


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> > Now, those of you who admire Ladefoged so much, can I presume that you have read him extensively? And if you have, I can only conclude that he has never substantiated his generalizations with specifics. That indicates more than a little prudent caution with regard to his conclusions.
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> Hey, I have read Ladefoged extensively and carefully. I've even met him in person on several occasions. He's an excellent fieldworker and one of the most distinguished specialists in experimental phonetics worldwide, with fifty years' experience of speech research. All he has ever written is carefully documented and amply illustrated with sound spectrograms, photographs, palatograms, X-ray images, laryngoscopic pictures and whatever other tangible documentation you could think of. There's nothing there to justify your suspicion and sarcastic dismissal of the quality of his research. If you really want to see his credentials, visit his home page at UCLA (and follow the links):
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> http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/humnet/linguistics/people/ladefoge/
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> I have done my best to explain, in a reply to Glen, the confusion resulting from mixing up two levels of description (phonemes and their distinctive features, and phones and their physically measurable properties).

[PCR]
Well, then you qualify as a Ladefoged expert.

Which American English dialects do not have ANY voicing before, during, or after closure in production of voiced stops?

Pat

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