[tied] Re: PIE *kwokt

In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex_lycos" wrote:

>>>1) PIE *gW > b and PIE *kW > p when _not_ followed by /e/ or/i/
>>>2) PIE *gW > g and PIE *kW > k when followed by /e/ an /i/
>>
>> Then you should clearly point out that "some scholars" which
>> support these "rules of derivation" (ref: "Some scholars belive
>> that [...]" - message 19190 of cybalist) is just another way
>> to say `Vinereanu` (whose "knowledge" of IE issues was already
>> discussed on this list). Nobody else claimed this kind of rules
>
> Everywhere is a beginning. Someone must see them first.

The use of "some scholars" in this context is fallacious: it
implies at least two scholars. Vinereanu is the only one who
proposed these "rules". Unless you consider him having two or
more personalities, you should write down "a scholar" or "one
scholar". And the proposal has little to do with science since
practically nobody cared about his "rules", nor agreed with them.

> The examples given shows the rules work.

Which examples? Those where you make tens of assumptions?!

> And that should be enough. About someone's "knowledge" of IE
> issues I don't guess it is wise to make yourself an opinion
> in the particularly situation when you did not get this
> opinion directly from him/her , but his/her ideas have been
> presented to you by a dilettante as Alex for instance.

His "ideas" were briefly discussed not on the basis of your
supposedly biased cybalist sketch, but reading his own writings
available on the net. "deep ignorance" should ring you a bell.

> For you as Romanian speaker should be interesting that these
> /e/ and /i/ are too the very factors which influenced the
> evolution of Latin words in Romanian later.

As Romance speaker I am aware that Romanian case offers nothing
else with respect to this point but more or less similar
developments as one can easily find in any modern Romance
language. Further studies do help a lot in having an accurate
scientifical description of the picture.

> And the parallelism of ideas should make you interested
> what could be there.

Not too much, I'm afraid.

Marius Iacomi