Re: [tied] Help with ban_Banat

--- S & L <mbusines@...> wrote:

> From Peter Dobrev�s �Ezikyt na Asparukhovite i
> Kuberovi bylgari, Rechnik i
> Gramatika�, Sofia, 1995 found at
>

http://members.tripod.com/~Groznijat/b_lang/bl_oldwords.html

> as "The
> language of the Asparukh and Kuber Bulgars,
> vocabulary and grammar" by Peter
> Dobrev; An abridged translation.
> Words, preserved in the historical and
> archaeological monuments from the
> VI-X cc. AD.
>
> Old Bulgar word: BAN � a military deputy of a region
> Closest analogies: BAN � a military commander
> (Eastern Caucasian); from
> �BO� � an army (Eastern Caucasian)
> Old Bulgar word: ZOAPAN � a court title
> Closest analogies: Zhoopan � an official (Eastern
> Caucasian); Chupan
> (Sogdian) from fsu-pana (Sanskrit)

*****GK: (1)What exactly is "East Caucasian"? (2) A
couple of ideas. "Pan" from "Bayan" seems highly
unlikely because of the original "imperial"
connotation of the latter. Unlike "Knyaz" which could
apply to smaller units (and was borrowed into Romanian
dialects as "knes" I believe).=== The strong
Hunno-Bulgar contacts with the Iranic world
(Asparukh's own name?) make a borrowing of their "Ban"
quite probable (I don't believe it's that widespread,
if at all, in Turkic languages?).*****


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