Re: [tied] Help with ban_Banat

a_konushevci@... wrote:

> Stovani kolega
> Ja mislim da rijec ban kao eponim i Bania kao horonim su avarskog
> poriejkla.

In this case , regarding the definition of "eponim" ( the one who gives
his name to a city), it should mean that the word "Ban" was just the
name of someone and not a word with a specialy meaning in a certain
language.

> To jest, ban je samo sinkopirana forma od bayan, to jest
> kagan "imperator".

Why should sincoped the form "bayan" to "ban"? If the meaning of "bayan"
was "imperator" what should have mean "ban" in this case? Just a
question. "Ban" is not a panslavic word. It is known just in bulgarian
and serbo-croatian. Which is the meaning , the actually meaning of "ban"
there?

> Utjecaj i tragovi avarskog su vidljivi i u drugim
> toponimima, kao Banulla < Ban- + -ola u antickoj Dardaniji,
> Obrenovac (od csj. obar <avar, pl. obri), Obri- + -nje isto u
> Dardaniji, kao i Obrança < Obr- + -an + -ça, i drugi.

"Obrenovac" sounds to be slavic but "banulla" don't seems so. Maybe
Piotr will show us if an "-ola" could give "-ulla".

Regards,

alex