Re: [tied] The word for horse

Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:

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> From: "alex_lycos" <altamix@...>
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> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 8:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [tied] The word for horse
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>> Of course you will say I have nothing in the hand to say that the
>> word
> "cal" was known before "cabalus"
>
>> Remember please about "celer", Greek "keles" and Greek "keler" as
>> well
> as about Old Latin "celeres"= equestrian corpus. In the Eolian
> language "keler" meant "horseman"
>
> <celere:s> means 'the swift' (from <celer> 'swift', not any 'horse'
> word). How on earth could any of these words have developed int Rom.
> cal??

Celere:s =ältester Name der römischen Ritter, vergleiche Kreek "keles".
take a look at "calo:" too

>
> Any word with a single *-l- would have been affected by rhotacism. On
> the other hand, the development of caballu- > Rom. cal is completely
> regular (loss of intervocalic /b/ as e.g. in <scrie>, no rhotacism
> because the lateral was geminated). Albanian kalë is normal too --
> Albanian lost all intervocalic voiced stops early enough for the
> oldest loans from Latin to have been affected

scribere > scrie :-)
I always wondered about this word. None wrote something in Rom. Lang
until XVI centuries but the word "scribere" is inherited. That is one of
the curiosity . Put togethere with "read"= "a citi" from slavic "citati"
it makes a nice paar.

>
> Piotr

So is what we learned. A single "l" will be rhotacised or will disapper.
But is this always so?
compare by yourself:
latin cale:o, romanian "a cãli" for instance.
The problem is that there is no intervocalic "l" in "cal". How would you
analyse the word "celeris" for instance? This is a derivative from what?
I gues "cal/kel" was the root which was used for derivatives.
I wonder if French lost too the intervocalic "b". Take a look at the
locality "Chabillonum", actual Chalon -sur-Saône.
I gues the word was simplly "cal" and this is way there is no rothacism.

Alex