Re: [tied] Digest Number 1222

From: Juha Savolainen
Message: 18540
Date: 2003-02-07

Hi John,

Very interesting information - many thanks for it. As
for the maps, I suggest that you could start with

http://bosei.cc.u-tokai.ac.jp/~indus/english/map.html

(indeed, the whole exhibition is a good one...)

I will be more than happy to help you here...


Best regards, Juha Savolainen









--- "John L. Berry" <jlbassoc@...> wrote:
> Juha Savolainen asked:
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> Piotr,
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> One of the most interesting aspects of the whole
> Saraswati issue is the importance given to certain
> rivers by the Vedic (and indeed by the Old Iranian)
> people.
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> "Saraswati" is not just a river (or perhaps a type
> of
> river?) but also a River Goddess and also a place
> where their culture is flourishing. Do you (or any
> other IEF participant) have ideas about the role of
> rivers in (Proto)/Indo-European thinking? Was this
> common also among the other branches of the IE
> family?
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> Best regards, Juha
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> Juha:
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> This is much later than your time period, but I am
> dealing with a confusing
> issue about the Italic attitude to Rivers. The
> present Volturno in Campania
> was known to the Romans of Volturnus. However,
> several authors I have consulted
> say that Volturnus was also the name of the
> "Tutelary Divinity" of the Tiber. It
> was also the name of a God, whose festival in Rome
> was celebrated on the 27th
> Aug. Volturnus had a "flamen", so he was presumably
> a fairly important God in
> Archaic Rome. It was also the name of a wind from
> the "southeast by one-third
> south" (i.e. from 150 deg.). This wind blows in the
> spring (according to an
> article in January's "Geoscientist" (magazine of the
> Geol Soc London), not
> around the end of August. The wind Volturnus is
> capable, under the right
> meteorological conditions, of bringing a "dry fog"
> of sulfurous, ash-laden
> volcanic air from Stromboli over Rome and as far as
> the Po Valley. As far as I
> know, the etymology of the word "Volturnus" is not
> known (if anyone knows -
> please tell me): it is one of the Latin words
> around which controversy over a
> possible Etruscan origin has raged for years. It
> has also been connected with
> "vultur" (vulture, and also a mountain near the
> source of the Volturno (which,
> however, I cannot find any maps). I can give refs
> for all of this.
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> But what the connection in the Roman/Italic/Etruscan
> mind was between a God, the
> two biggest rivers in central Italy, and a
> potentially nasty wind, I don't know.
> I think if we knew the etymology of the word
> (related to *kwel-???) I think we'd
> have a clue.
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> On the Saraswati question, as another geologist, I
> may be able to contribute
> something once someone can tell me (off-list) (a)
> where the Sarsuti/Gaggar and
> its archaeological sites is (I do not have detailed
> maps of India available),
> and (b) what are the best dates for the
> archaeological sites. Generally
> speaking, there was a very wet period at these
> latitudes in the mid-Holocene,
> but I need to look up the exact dates.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 6:45 AM
> Subject: [tied] Digest Number 1222
>
>
> There are 25 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. Re: soft heart
> From: "P&G" <petegray@...>
> 2. Re: On Arguing of the Mighty Saraswati
> River
> From: "Daniel J. Milton
> <dmilt1896@...>" <dmilt1896@...>
> 3. Re: Hydronyms and toponyms of Vedic area
> From: Piotr Gasiorowski
> <piotr.gasiorowski@...>
> 4. Re: Re: On Arguing of the Mighty Saraswati
> River
> From: Piotr Gasiorowski
> <piotr.gasiorowski@...>
> 5. Re: Re: On Arguing of the Mighty Saraswati
> River
> From: Juha Savolainen <juhavs@...>
> 6. Re: Hydronyms and toponyms of Vedic area
> From: george knysh <gknysh@...>
> 7. Re: Why are Horses Vedic Again?
> From: Juha Savolainen <juhavs@...>
> 8. Re: Why are Horses Vedic Again?
> From: "Piotr Gasiorowski
> <piotr.gasiorowski@...>"
> <piotr.gasiorowski@...>
> 9. Re: Why are Horses Vedic Again?
> From: Juha Savolainen <juhavs@...>
> 10. Re: Laryngeal theory as an unnatural
> From: "Glen Gordon"
> <glengordon01@...>
> 11. Re: Laryngeal theory as an unnatural
> From: "Glen Gordon"
> <glengordon01@...>
> 12. Re: Laryngeal theory as an unnatural
> From: "Glen Gordon"
> <glengordon01@...>
> 13. Re: On Arguing of the Mighty Saraswati
> River
> From: "S.Kalyanaraman
> <kalyan97@...>" <kalyan97@...>
> 14. Re: Re: On Arguing of the Mighty Saraswati
> River
> From: george knysh <gknysh@...>
> 15. ROOTS AT LAST!!!
> From: x99lynx@...
> 16. Re: ROOTS AT LAST!!!
> From: Andrew Howey
> <andyandmae_howey@...>
> 17. Re: ROOTS AT LAST!!!
> From: "S.Kalyanaraman
> <kalyan97@...>" <kalyan97@...>
> 18. Why Nahali? Why not? It is INDIC !
> From: "S.Kalyanaraman
> <kalyan97@...>" <kalyan97@...>
> 19. Re: Re: On Arguing of the Mighty Saraswati
> River
> From: Piotr Gasiorowski
> <piotr.gasiorowski@...>
> 20. When did 'arya' become 'aryan' ?
> From: "S.Kalyanaraman
> <kalyan97@...>" <kalyan97@...>
> 21. Re: Laryngeal theory as an unnatural
> From: Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...>
> 22. Re: Fw: Latin versus *Proto-Romance
> From: "tgpedersen
> <tgpedersen@...>" <tgpedersen@...>
> 23. Re: On Arguing of the Mighty Saraswati
> River
> From: "tgpedersen
> <tgpedersen@...>" <tgpedersen@...>
> 24. Re: ROOTS AT LAST!!!
> From: "tgpedersen
> <tgpedersen@...>" <tgpedersen@...>
> 25. Re: Para-Munda Substrate k/s' (was: PIE
> homeland in northwest India?)
> From: "tgpedersen
> <tgpedersen@...>" <tgpedersen@...>
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 19:39:09 -0000
> From: "P&G" <petegray@...>
> Subject: Re: soft heart
>
> >Arab matnuN "the middle ..."
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