Re: [tied] FW: Re: Latin viridian

From: Miguel Carrasquer
Message: 18412
Date: 2003-02-04

On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 16:23:51 -0000, "Richard Wordingham
<richard.wordingham@...>" <richard.wordingham@...>
wrote:

>--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:
>> Simplified for $:
>>
>> s/$/_!iV
>> i//$!_V
>> e//$!_V
>> ea/e/!(i)_(CCCC).e#
>> iea/ia/!_
>> ea/a/P!_
>
>Thanks. Parsimony suggests that I should also include e//z!_V to
>include the sequence
>
> tErra > tiera > tieara > t,arã
>
>in Rule 9 at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/18147.
>Or do you include /T/ and /z/ in the palatals?

Not anymore, otherwise viridia would have given *varze, not varzã
(rule a/e/P_#).

It's possible that /ts/ and /z/ were initially "soft" (like Ukrainian
/ts/), and that the sequence was:

tErra > tiera > ts'eara > ts'ara > tsarã

(hard to tell where the simplification of rr > r goes).

The rules for consonants as given by Bourciez are:

Early (largely shared with Italian):
ty, ky > /tz/
ty, ky > /c^/ (<ci>) before ó, ú
dy > dz > /z/
dy > dz^ > /z^/ (<j>) before ó, ú
palatalization of k, g > c^, dz^ before front vowels
kl > kl^
gl > gl^
-s, -t, -nt > 0

General Romanian
VlV > VrV
que, gue > c^e, dz^e
qua, gua > pa, ba (except in the wh- words)
VbiV > VibV
ti > tzi
di > dzi > zi
si > $i
sky > $
sty > $
sk, st + front vowel > $t
kt > pt
ks > ps
gn > mn
amn > aun
CC > C, but ill > il^ and Vlla# > Va#

Daco-Romanian only:
dz > z
y- > dz^ > z^ (<j>) [not dz^< g!!]
l^ > y
n^ > y
l^i- > yi > i

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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
mcv@...