Re: [tied] Laryngeal theory as an unnatural

No,

What I tried to say, is not that the laryngeal theory is wrong. What
is wrong is to treat the laryngeals and their influence as a separate
phenomenon, without any connections with simular phenomenons that
regard other consonants.

However, I see a connection between coloring from the laryngeals and
for example from -m. The connection is that the overall phonetic
setting of the language at one time, made the wovel -e suseptible
from the influence by consonants. Influence from Laryngeals are thus
nothing special, just a instance of a common phenomenon at that time.

I wrote the original wovel as -e, but actually I rather think it was
a sentral, perhaps schwa-like wovel.

So, in the details I think we mostly agree.

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:23:08 -0000, "aquila_grande
> <aquila_grande@...>" <aquila_grande@...> wrote:
>
> >In IE many -o/e-stems and a:-stems have the same root, where the
o/e-
> >stem denotes masculine and a:-stem feminine. In an combined theory
> >this could be explained in the following way:
> >
> >-In an early period there was some -e-stems ex: wlquem (acc of
wolf)
> >
> >-Then a a-tuning laryngeal suffixe was added to denote a feminine
> >being, then the pair wlquem (he-wolf)/wlqueAm (she-wolf) were
created.
> >
> >Then the case ending -m tuned the -e to o, and the laryngeal A
tuned
> >the e to -a, creating wlquom (he-wolf)/wlqaAm(she-wolf)
> >
> >Then the laryngeal was lost with lengthening of the final wovel,
> >creating: wlquom/wlqua:m. Later on, the -o, tune was analogically
> >extended to other forms, but not all. The wokative remained as
wlque.
> >
> >In this case the whole prossess created an ablaut pattern -e - o -
a:
> >in the stem-ending wovel, used grammatically to distinguish cases
> >vocativ/other cases and to distinguish gender masculine/feminine.
>
> But I don't see any new insights here into the laryngeal theory.
The
> *h2 of the feminine suffix coloured the vowel to /a/ and then
> disappeared, lengthening the vowel (/a:/). That's what you say, and
> that's exactly what the laryngeal theory says.
>
> It's also true that the accusative ending *-m caused the thematic
> vowel to become /o/ (in my version: the thematic vowel **/a/ was
> lengthened by any following _voiced_ segment, and **/a:/ further
> developed to /o/). But this has nothing to do with laryngeals: it
> does not damge nor support the larynegal theory.
>
> Of course both phenomena are cases of one sound being influenced by
a
> neighbouring sound, but that's not really a new insight: such
> phenomena go by names like "conditioned soundlaws", "assimilation"
> "dissimilation", etc.
>
>
> =======================
> Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
> mcv@...