Re: [tied] Primordial Man, Ymir, *Yemos, PIE cosmogony

I agree with David. It is valid to Norse Ymir, but also to Indian Purus.a,
with parallels to Sumerian Tiamat and Chinese Pan-ku. Persian Gayom@...@tan
also fit in s role, as the Orphic Eros (giant, hermaphrodit, primordial).
So we have at least 4 possible elements:
1. Primordial Man *Yemos, hermaphrodit, giant, sacrified to originate the
world.
2. The First Man *Manus, progenitor of manking, ruler of dead, king of
Underworld, born from Earth (homo/humus).
3. The Earth Mother *DHeg^Hom
4. The Primordial Bovine, (hermaphrodit bovine? bull? cow? a couple? a cow
and a calf?) From Cow's udder came the Primordial Rivers (Audhumla and
Aditi).

We might add the World Tree to this scenario.

Joao SL
Rio

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>
> David:
> >But *Yemos isn't the earth. His skull becomes the sky, his brain the
> >clouds, his eyes the sun and moon. He is rather the cosmos.
>
> Whoa, whoa, whoa. This is waaay too Norse-sounding to me. Of course,
> you're talking about Ymir. Aside from Norse mythology, how might you
> justify this view?
>
>
> >Personal theory: as PIE society developed into a a complex one,
>
> Problem number one: Define "complex". This sentence irks the budding
> ethnologist in me.
>
>
> >[...] and as it developed from an ergative language into one with three
> >genders, triplicity became at least as important as duality.
>
> I severely doubt that morphology has anything to do with mythology but
> you can believe whatever you wish.
>
>
> >This gave rise to the Dumezilian functions. *Dyeus Pater got bumped to
> >the first function, and *Perkwunos took the second.
>
> No, I don't think so. I think *Dye:us, the clear sky, and *PerkWnos,
> the storm, both were sky deities. They are borrowed from the Near
> East where we have El and Baal, for example. However, *PerkWnos-Baal,
> being storm, was related to rain (or rather "water from the sky") and as
> such was probably originally a water god. In other words, they stem
> from the original dual opposition between skies above and waters below
> (bird and serpent), only later reduplicating the water deity in a sky
> position. Added duplicity ensued, thus *Nepo:ts.
>
>
> >This helps explain how such deities as Thor, Indra, and Mars all have
> >agricultural sides to them; it is left over from when they were simply
> >storm deities, that is, rain deities.
>
> Yes, so we both see a storm-rain link. Good. The agricultural connection
> involves rain.
>
>
> - gLeN
>
>
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