Re: [tied] number of cases in PIE

From: Sergejus Tarasovas
Message: 17870
Date: 2003-01-21

Mr. Palmaitis is an aggressive Balto-centrist (though he gaduated in semitology and only later passed qualification exams in Baltistics), and a great deal of the stuff on his site is idiosyncratic. I personally don't like his backslapping ("such and such auctores think that ... . So much the worse for them -- I just know better.") or buffoon ("I've tried to reconstruct Old Prussion for so long... now it only remains for me to hang myself since it turned out that...") way of self-expression. AFAIK, his only real achievement in Old Prussian studies is the "revival" of Old Prussian (or, rather, creation of conlangish "New Prussian"), having little to do with real Old Prussian reconstruction. I've never come across references to his works in serious publications on Old Prussian.
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From: Andrew Howey [mailto:andyandmae_howey@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 7:56 AM
Subject: [tied] number of cases in PIE

Hello, all:

I was wondering how many cases there really were in PIE, or more specifically, Late PIE.  I specify Late PIE because according to most information I've read, PIE went through an earlier "ergative" stage first.  In any case, most sources seem to agree that there were eight cases:

nominative, genitive, dative, accusative, instrumental, ablative, locative, and vocative.

However, Dr Letas Palmaitis argues any cases other than nominative, genitive, dative, and accusative are innovations for that particular language (group).  He claims that Prussian, and by extension Sudovian/Yatvingian, maintain the archaic PIE four-case structure.  He claims that where one case might have a particular function in one language group, that function will be taken over by (a) different case(s) in other language groups.  He doesn't seem to take into consideration that the languages most closely related to Prussian, Latvian and Lithuanian, and then the Slavic languages have, or had, at least seven grammatical cases.  If you're interested, you can read his argument at -- it's the section labelled "THE 11th PRINCIPLE OF THE RECONSTRUCTION".

I have a book, in German, on Prussian grammar (Altpreussische Grammatik by Jan Endzelin) that indicates remnants of the instrumental and locative cases.  So, it seems to me that Prussian might be the innovator in dropping the additional cases.  MIght that be because of early contact with Germanic?

I would appreciate any clarification on this.

Thank you very much:

Andy Howey

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