Re: [tied] PIE *bhl-

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> > in which langauages a PIE *bhl gave a "fl-"?
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> In Italic (including Latin), and eventually in (post-Classical) Greek,
where /fl-/ < Ancient Greek pHl- < *bHl-.
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that is very interesting.
I take the german verb "blasen" with english cognate= "blow".they are
from the same germanic root with "blähen"= to swell, to inflate. More,
even "ball" is derived from the same root.
It is said that the PIE root here is "*bhle"

the etymology of english "blow" is given as fallow:

blow- "move air," O.E. blawan "make an air current, sound a wind
instrument" (class VII strong verb; past tense bleow, pp. blawen), from
P.Gmc. *blæ-anan, from I.E. *bhle- "to swell, blow up"
the cognates are in all germanic languages ; germ=blasen, gotic
(uf)blesan,dutch = blazen, sweden=blása
we find cognates in latin language too: latin "flo" ( with long "o")
I am not aware of the slavic cognates, it will be nice to see them too.
In albanian the cognate is flluskos ( aufblasen, to blow up)

the romanian "a fluiera" doesnt come from latin "flo". DEX give it from
"fluier"= "pipe" which is "cf. albanian flojer"
there is another word common with albanian and this is butterfly =
"flutur"
"to make air with the wings" in romanian= " a flutura"
DEX means " a flutura"= from flutur.
to blow up in romanian = "a umfla" = cf DEX from latin "inflare"
a swell= "umflatura" a derivate of "umfla".
to puff= " a sufla" = cf DEX latin sufflare=almost correct semanticaly
with romanian
soul= "suflet"= cf latin *suflitus from suflare
to respire= " a rasufla"= prefix "ras"+ "sufla"

For me it seems to be all the derivates of root "fl+wovel", but the
problem is some are tought to be from latin, some to be from substrate.
The albanian and romanian form for fluier and flutur, the albanian form
for flluskos are not latin words and not greek.
They are comming from substrate, so it is said. Well.... in this case?
Pretty strange if we think that just italic and late greek present a
such form , huh?

alex