Re: Morphology 19 update

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...>"
<tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Wordingham"
> <richard.wordingham@...> wrote:
> > --- In cybalist@..., "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> > > --- In cybalist@..., Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 06 Dec 2002 09:16:19 +0100, Miguel Carrasquer

<mcv@...>

> > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > >Beekes: *h1eg^, *h1egoH, *h1egHom
> > > > >Rasmussen: *eg^
> > > > >Szemerényi: *ego:, *eg(h)om
> > > > >Schmidt (in Pokorny IEW): *eg^hom (n.) < *e- + *-ghe + -om
> > > > >Cowgill: *eg^
> > > > >Adams/Mallory (EIEC): *h1ég^, emphatic *h1eg^óm
> > > > >Adrados: *eg
> > > > >Lehmann: *egh
> > > >
> > > Interesting. Isn't the usual conclusion when one is forced to
> posit
> > > several different but similar roots that the word must have been
> > > borrowed? I think you guys know from where?

I think you mean SE Asia.

> > And how do you propose to get *eg out of Proto-Austric *(a)(n)qu,
> > Proto-Austro-Asiatic *(m)(i,a)(n)qu(a)(n), Proto-Austronesian *aku
> or
> > Proto-Tai *ku (vowel uncertain)? Moi, I think one would still

have

> a
> > problem.

> Moi pas compri. I haven't proposed any borrowing from Proto-Austric
> or any of the latter proto-s.
> As far as I can extract it from "Eden in the East", Oppenheimer
> claims three genetic links from SE Asia to MiddleEast/Europe, namely
> from, in chronological order
>
> 1) New Guinea
> 2) Orang Asli (Malaaysia)
> 3) East coast of Borneo
>
> which is therefore where I should concentrate my linguistic link-
> demonstrating powers.

Yes, please do.

> Proto-Austronesian "I" is <aku>. And you can't get from (a later
> version of) that to *ego:, is that what you're saying? I've seen
> linguists perform bolder stunts than that.
>

*eg^o: <-- *aku is not difficult. It's *eg^ <-- *aku that needs the
explaining. Does concentrating on the three areas help produce
anything? Have you any dates in mind?

> AfroAsiatic have 1sg and 2sg of the type /anek/, /anti/ (cited by
> memory!). Factor out an- and IE forms appear (almost). As for the
> latter, Miguel has proposed 2sg derived from the "universal"
> demonstrative *te.

Are you abandoning your SE Asian suggestion for *eg^(H)(o:/om), then?

Richard.