Re: IE and their dogs : long-haired sheepdogs

--- In cybalist@..., "Richard Wordingham" <richard.wordingham@...>
wrote:

> --- In cybalist@..., Piotr Gasiorowski <piotr.gasiorowski@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: tgpedersen
> > To: cybalist@...
> > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 11:44 AM
> > Subject: [tied] Re: IE and their dogs : long-haired sheepdogs
> >
> >
> > > in PIE as we know it. PIE "sun" has recently ecome

heteroclitic,

> it isn't in any known IE languages
> >
> > What do you mean?
>
> I'd guess Torsten was referring to the reconstruction *sáh2wal.,
> gen.s. *sh2wéls, *sh2úls, *sh2wéns or *sh2úns, given at item 18 in
> Miguel's account of PIE consonant stems at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/16501 . However,
> Avestan hvar&, g.s. xv&:ng looks heteroclitic.
>
> Richard.

Yes.

I read it in Venneman, and I believe he called the reconstruction as
heteroclitic "recent". I was perhaps being too elliptic.

But, BTW, on the subject, Venneman called it the only l/n
heteroclitic root in IE. So I wondered: what about the noun HGerm
Himmel vs. ON himinn "sky, heaven" (in German toponyms Lützel- and
Lützen- (eg. in Luxembourg)) and the adjectives Eng little vs Sw
liten, Eng michel vs. Da megen? Shouldn't they be l/n heteroclitic?

Torsten