Re: [tied] Re: The Brahman and the Brain

But in this case the word would not be IE. I think Blei is not related, but
plumbum and molybdos (add also Greek bolimos) are.

Perhaps plumbum was a dissimilation < *blumbum < *mlumb-om



An alternative view is plumbum < *ploudhom ~ Celtic loudo- (> English lead)

----- Original Message -----
From: tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...>
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Subject: [tied] Re: The Brahman and the Brain


--- In cybalist@..., "Richard Wordingham" <richard.wordingham@...>
wrote:
> --- In cybalist@..., "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> > --- In cybalist@..., Piotr Gasiorowski <piotr.gasiorowski@...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: tgpedersen
> > > To: cybalist@...
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 12:46 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [tied] The Brahman and the Brain
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hermann Møller claims (I believe I recall) a connection
between
> > Latin 'multus' and 'plus'. Does that make sense?
> > >
> > >
> > > Lat. multus seems to derive from *ml.tó-, possibly related to
> comp.
> > melior, melius < *mél-jos- (the positive grade unattested), which
> > presupposes the root *mel-, tentatively interpreted as 'be
strong'.
> > <plu:s>, pl. <plu:res> (archaic forms also <plous, pleores>)
> derives
> > from *pléh1-jos-, the comparative of *plh1-ú- 'much'. There is no
> way
> > to connect the two by ordinary means. _Extraordinary_ means (if
> > that's what Møller has recourse to) are beyond my competence.
> > >
> > > Piotr
> >
> > As far as I can tell Møller argues *ml- > *mbl- > *pl-, which,
> > judging from your earlier postings, is not beyond your
competence,
> > extraordinary or otherwise? ;-)
>
> I think you're thinking of the possibility of PIE *ml- > Germanic
pl-
> which was discussed around
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/16475 . The implied
> route was ml > bl > pl, which would not be applicable to Latin. We
> did not establish any examples. There was also the issue of words
> related to Old Norse blaða, in the same part of the thread.
>
> Richard.
> >
> > http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/pl.html
> >
> > Torsten

What do you then think of Gk. molybes, Lat. plumbum, German Blei, Da.
bly "lead"? m-l- > Lat. pl-, Germ. bl-.
Usually ascribed to a non-specified substrate language of the
Mediterrenean. Or further east?

Torsten





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