[tied] Re: crows and the glottalic theory

--- In cybalist@..., Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:24:13 -0000, "Richard Wordingham"
> <richard.wordingham@...> wrote:
>
> >--- In cybalist@..., Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 07 Nov 2002 14:33:09 -0000, "Richard Wordingham"
> >> <richard.wordingham@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> Old Welsh and Irish use the spelling <p>, <t>, <c>
> >> for /b/, /d/, /g/, which is nothing strange in a two-way

opposition

> >> /t/ = [th] ~ /d/ = [d.] ~ [t] (cf. also English, where initial

and

> >> final /d/ are voiceless [d.] ~ [t]).
> >
> >I'd always understood that the Old Welsh use of <t> for what is

now

> >post-vocalic /d/ reflected the lenition that created the soft
> >mutation. (I can't explain the reported Irish use.)
>
> The odd thing is that the spelling does not reflect the lenitions,

so

> we have <t> for what is later t- / -d-, and <d> for what is later d-

/

> -dd-. Perhaps this reflects [th-]/[-t-] vs. [d-]/[-D-] (there is
> also -tt-, later -t- for aspirated medial [th]).
>
> >
> >Isn't the ultimate [th] North German, presumably the effect of the
> >Low German substrate?
>
> Is it? Is /t/ unaspirated in Southern German?
>

Yes. Actually written /t/ in Copenhagen is as much affricate as South
German /z/. North Germans speaking High German have overdone the
difference between their own Low German and "proper" High German.
Also one shouldn't forget that Low German functions as a register for
people in North Germany. 'So is dat nicht' is "that ain't so" and 'so
ist das nicht' is "that is not so". Therefore aspiration becomes a
social shibboleth..

> =======================
> Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
> mcv@...

I took a look at the IE roots you provide in your chapter 14a/b. Of
them the 'ale' root (OE ealu, DA. øl, no stød) does not follow your
rule that PGerm polysyllabic roots end up with stød in Danish.

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