From: Juha Savolainen
> Mr. Kalyanaraman,
> My most sincere thanks for making publicly available
> both first-hand
> information on the Khambat symposium organized by
> the NIOT as well
> as providing background sources, some of which went
> unrecognized by most observers of the Khambat
> investigations. After
> a period of scant new information on the Khambat
> your posting was most welcome. Given the wealth of
> details included
> in your sources, I will not immediately make any
> comments on them
> but make this information available for a larger
> audience for
> discussion and study. I trust that you will not
> object these plans
> as the information is here already for anyone to
> The discussion on the Khambat developments will
> certainly continue
> and become more active. If you do not feel exhausted
> by my queries
> and if Piotr permits it, I will return to this
> subject in near
> Best regards, Juha Savolainen
> --- In cybalist@..., "S. Kalyanaraman"
> <kalyan97@...> wrote:
> > Dear Juha and Piotr,
> > I will provide some background information and add
> my views: the
> background information summarized by Dr. SP Gupta of
> Archaeological Society; a report on the seminar
> conducted by NIOT
> given by historian Dr. Nandita Krishna. Asko
> Parpola, I. Mahadevan
> and S. Kalyanaraman were together in NIOT and
> discussed extensively
> with the scientists there and also presented their
> views to
> Frontline editor.
> > The action plan of the seminar was that further
> explorations were
> needed. These are ongoing. This was the principal
> thrust of the
> inter-disciplinary meet of NIOT who sought guidance
> from experts on
> further steps which needed to be taken. Some of
> the50 participants
> in the meet: Dr. Jagatpati Joshi, Dr. SP Gupta, I.
> Mahadevan, Dr. S.
> Kalyanaraman, Dr. Shanti Pappu, Prof. KV Raman, Dr.
> A. Sundara, Dr.
> V. Sridhar (Geology, MS Univ. Baroda), Dr. Vasant
> Shinde, Dr. SN
> Rajaguru, Dr. B. Sasisekaran, scientists from
> Physical Research
> Laboratory, coast guard of Indian Navy, Marine
> Archaeology Dept.,
> Andhra University, National Institute of
> archaeologists from ASI.
> > My views are at:
> > And about the language of the coastal people, in
> the Gulf of
> Khambat Cultural Complex: it could have been Nahali,
> which is a
> language not classified so far and found in Tapati
> valley, not far
> from the Bhimbhetka caves:
> >=== message truncated ===
> > Juha Savolainen, let me try to answer the
> questions raised by you,
> in two clusters:
> > JS: Some questions�First, have the findings
> already been
> > Second, will institutions professionally engaged
> with archaeology,
> > such as the ASI and the NIO, publish something on
> the findings?
> > Third, who were the international and Indian
> experts who
> > participated in the symposium? Fourth, how did
> they view claims
> > about "the oldest city in the world" etc.? Fifth,
> > are involved in the ongoing explorations and who
> is leading them?
> > Yes. Geological Society of India, Bangalore has
> brought out a
> report. I will try to post more information from
> this separately.
> Yes, ASI, NIO, coast guard, PRL, geologists from the
> academia are
> part of the investigation team. Dr. B. Sasisekaran,
> archaeologist is
> full-time seconded to this project. Their report
> will appear after
> analyzing this season's work (commencing next week).
> There was no
> discussion in the seminar about any city. There was
> consensus that
> we have landed (sic) on archaeological sites on the
> banks of palaeo-
> channels. There was unanimous agreement that we are
> archaeological sites which should be explored
> further and that what
> is today the Gulf was once a continuation of the
> land linking
> Bharuch-Surat on the east with Padri and other sites
> in Saurashtra;
> the topography of Saurashtra should have been
> different before
> tectonic events resulted in upheavals in the land
> formations and
> incursion of the sea submerging the two
> Geologically, the formation of the Gulf is dated to
> c.10,000 yrs.
> BP. Together with the submergence of the rivers, the
> sites located
> on the banks were submerged.
> > NIOT is the coordinating institution; project
> director is Dr.
> Kathiroli; the members of the core team are: Dr.
> archaeologist and Dr. Badrinarayan, geologist.
> > JS: Strange, I always thought that Surat is at the
> mouth of Tapti
> > and Bharuch at the mouth of Narmada�Anyway, did I
> get it right:
> > you saying that archaeological sites have been
> found at the
> > riverbanks of modern Narmada and Tapti, or are you
> saying that