Permission to cite extensively?

From: Juha Savolainen
Message: 16687
Date: 2002-11-11

Mr. Kalyanaraman,

To avoid unnecessary misunderstandings, I want to
stress that I will not republish extensively your
material unless given the permission by you, of
course. However, the fact that this information is
available here is surely too important to be concealed
from other "Khambat enthusiasts".

Best regards, Juha Savolainen












--- juhavs <juhavs@...> wrote:
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>
> Mr. Kalyanaraman,
>
> My most sincere thanks for making publicly available
> both first-hand
> information on the Khambat symposium organized by
> the NIOT as well
> as providing background sources, some of which went
> surely
> unrecognized by most observers of the Khambat
> investigations. After
> a period of scant new information on the Khambat
> investigations,
> your posting was most welcome. Given the wealth of
> details included
> in your sources, I will not immediately make any
> comments on them
> but make this information available for a larger
> audience for
> discussion and study. I trust that you will not
> object these plans
> as the information is here already for anyone to
> see.
>
> The discussion on the Khambat developments will
> certainly continue
> and become more active. If you do not feel exhausted
> by my queries
> and if Piotr permits it, I will return to this
> subject in near
> future.
>
> Best regards, Juha Savolainen
>
>
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>
> --- In cybalist@..., "S. Kalyanaraman"
> <kalyan97@...> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Juha and Piotr,
> >
> >
> >
> > I will provide some background information and add
> my views: the
> background information summarized by Dr. SP Gupta of
> Indian
> Archaeological Society; a report on the seminar
> conducted by NIOT
> given by historian Dr. Nandita Krishna. Asko
> Parpola, I. Mahadevan
> and S. Kalyanaraman were together in NIOT and
> discussed extensively
> with the scientists there and also presented their
> views to
> Frontline editor.
> >
> >
> >
> > The action plan of the seminar was that further
> explorations were
> needed. These are ongoing. This was the principal
> thrust of the
> inter-disciplinary meet of NIOT who sought guidance
> from experts on
> further steps which needed to be taken. Some of
> the50 participants
> in the meet: Dr. Jagatpati Joshi, Dr. SP Gupta, I.
> Mahadevan, Dr. S.
> Kalyanaraman, Dr. Shanti Pappu, Prof. KV Raman, Dr.
> A. Sundara, Dr.
> V. Sridhar (Geology, MS Univ. Baroda), Dr. Vasant
> Shinde, Dr. SN
> Rajaguru, Dr. B. Sasisekaran, scientists from
> Physical Research
> Laboratory, coast guard of Indian Navy, Marine
> Archaeology Dept.,
> Andhra University, National Institute of
> Oceanography,
> archaeologists from ASI.
> >
> >
> >
> > My views are at:
> http://www.sulekha.com/articledesc.asp?cid=196338
> >
> >
> >
> > And about the language of the coastal people, in
> the Gulf of
> Khambat Cultural Complex: it could have been Nahali,
> which is a
> language not classified so far and found in Tapati
> valley, not far
> from the Bhimbhetka caves:
>
http://www.hindunet.org/saraswati/khambat/khambat05.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > Juha Savolainen, let me try to answer the
> questions raised by you,
> in two clusters:
> >
> >
> >
> > JS: Some questions´┐ŻFirst, have the findings
> already been
> published?
> >
> > Second, will institutions professionally engaged
> with archaeology,
> >
> > such as the ASI and the NIO, publish something on
> the findings?
> >
> > Third, who were the international and Indian
> experts who
> >
> > participated in the symposium? Fourth, how did
> they view claims
> >
> > about "the oldest city in the world" etc.? Fifth,
> which
> institutions
> >
> > are involved in the ongoing explorations and who
> is leading them?
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes. Geological Society of India, Bangalore has
> brought out a
> report. I will try to post more information from
> this separately.
> Yes, ASI, NIO, coast guard, PRL, geologists from the
> academia are
> part of the investigation team. Dr. B. Sasisekaran,
> archaeologist is
> full-time seconded to this project. Their report
> will appear after
> analyzing this season's work (commencing next week).
> There was no
> discussion in the seminar about any city. There was
> consensus that
> we have landed (sic) on archaeological sites on the
> banks of palaeo-
> channels. There was unanimous agreement that we are
> at
> archaeological sites which should be explored
> further and that what
> is today the Gulf was once a continuation of the
> land linking
> Bharuch-Surat on the east with Padri and other sites
> in Saurashtra;
> the topography of Saurashtra should have been
> different before
> tectonic events resulted in upheavals in the land
> formations and
> incursion of the sea submerging the two
> river-extensions.
> Geologically, the formation of the Gulf is dated to
> c.10,000 yrs.
> BP. Together with the submergence of the rivers, the
> sites located
> on the banks were submerged.
> >
> >
> >
> > NIOT is the coordinating institution; project
> director is Dr.
> Kathiroli; the members of the core team are: Dr.
> Sasisekaran,
> archaeologist and Dr. Badrinarayan, geologist.
> >
> >
> >
> > JS: Strange, I always thought that Surat is at the
> mouth of Tapti
> >
> > and Bharuch at the mouth of Narmada´┐ŻAnyway, did I
> get it right:
> are
> >
> > you saying that archaeological sites have been
> found at the
> >
> > riverbanks of modern Narmada and Tapti, or are you
> saying that
>
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