Re: OE *picga

--- In cybalist@..., "Richard Wordingham" <richard.wordingham@...>
wrote:

> --- In cybalist@..., "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> > I got an odd idea again.
>
> > PIE *w-g- "weave"
> >
> > but there's also a
> >
> > PIE *w-d- "web"
>
> What form does Pokorny give for this root?

I don't have access to Pokorny on a daily basis.
My newly acquired (yes!) "Dansk Etymologisk Ordborg" says

vod "large fishing net"
...
from Germanic *waða-
or
from Germanic *we:ði-
from IE *au-dh-, *(a)w-ê:dh-, *u-dh- "plait, weave"
from which also
Lith. áudz^iau, áusti "weave"
Armen. z-aud "band"

obviously Pokorny-style, ie. no laryngeals

>
> >
> > so how about this
> >
> > -(i)k- forms active participles in a small part of PIE vocabulary
> >
> > Lat. am-ic-us
> >
> > Gk. guna-ik-
> >
> > (and of course it spread to other words later)
>
> You might want to associate the Greek second perfect, in -k-, with
> this, as opposed to deriving the second perfect from final

laryngeal

> in root + -h2a 1s ending as in
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/14489 .
>
> > Therefore Latin 'duco', with that unexplained -k-, is a back-
> > formation from 'dux' (and 'facio' from '-fex').
> -c- in facio is also commonly assumed to be related to the Greek
> second perfect's formative.
>
> > Notice also that
> >
> > 'rex' is the guy who sets things right
> >
> > 're-' is the thing he sets right.
> >
> > Perhaps the velar (gH or k?) is an old ergative, with an

absolutive

> > in -t- or -d- (amicus vs amatus, *w-g- vs *w-d, found in
> > both "transport" and "water" (cf Proto-Oceanic 'wiq' "boat",
> > Norse 'viking'), *(H-)r-g- "the man who fixes the order" vs *(H-)

r-

> > "the thing that is fixed", *(H-)-n-k- "snake" vs *(H)-n-

"breath,

> > spirit")?
>
> PIE *g in 'rex'. It's a well-mangled suffix if it's real!
>
> Richard.

But only in those loanwords, if it's for real.
I think I got the idea from Greeenlandic ergative suffix -q
(absolutive -p), present tense -poq/-voq (this is how I remember
it!). And you can -poq/-voq a lot of stuff that's not possible in
IE. "There is a house" etc.

Torsten