Re: [tied] Re: News: The Dog Trade, Celtic hunting dogs

The oldest greyhounds (levriers, galgos) were the Arabian Sloughi, Saluki
and Afghanhound. There is still not a consensus if they came from North
Africa to Middle East or vice-versa. Afghanhound, tall and long-haired, seem
to be crossed with some kind of sheepdog. Romans mention a kind of hunting
dogs similar to greyhounds in Gallia and Brittania - in fact Portuguese
"galgo" for greyhound came from *(canem) gallicum - were these dogs carried
to Brittania by Phenician traders? Brittania and Ireland had an old kind of
wire-haired dog, linked to modern Scottish Deerhound, Irish Wolfhound and
probably Collies and Gordon Setters. If it was a lupoid sheepdog or a
graioid greyhound, it's not known. There is also mention to a very large
king of Celtic dog, probably ancestor of Wolfhounds and Great Danes.

Joao SL

----- Original Message -----
From: tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 10:07 AM
Subject: [tied] Re: News: The Dog Trade


> --- In cybalist@..., x99lynx@... wrote:
> > A column in The Roanoke Time 10/6/02 on dog history (with some
> inconsistent
> > information re dog paleo-ancestry -- e.g., coyote genes have been
> identified
> > in Native American dog remains and Native Americans had dogs before
> > Europeans, as the Aztec example shows).
> >
> > Interesting perhaps is the early reception of dogs claimed for
> Arabia:
> > "The first domesticated dogs appear to have originated in Central
> and North
> > Africa. About 10,000 years ago, the nomadic Berber tribesmen
> started to
> > supply other tribes along the Nile, in Cush and Egypt with hunting
> dogs
> > similar in appearance to the greyhound and Saluki. As the Egyptian
> > civilization expanded, the people traded with Arabia, receiving
> gold and gems
> > in exchange for grain and dogs."
> > http://www.roanoke.com/roatimes/news/story137662.html
> >
> > (BUT NOTE: DNA evidence would suggest that like the horse -- but
> unlike the
> > cow, sheep, pig and goat -- the dog was domesticated in a wide
> variety of
> > locations, rather than descending from one or two discreet lines.)
> >
> > SLong
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> Nonono. You have misunderstood the whole thimg. Everything, pigs,
> dogs, copper, rice was domesticated and discovered in exactly two
> places: Middle East/Europe and SE Asia. For some reason India is an
> insurmountable barrier to the dispersion of these domesticoveries.
> Apparently it induces a dream-like amnesia in those who try to travel
> past it.
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